Phizzy

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  Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

  by IWant2Know in

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  i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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  Phizzy

  Interpretation of Ancient Texts is only properly done by appreciating the milieu in which the Writer lived,hence his cultural background and Theology etc. and then we can understand what was in his mind, and what was not. We need to ask too, what did he wish his readers, his contemporaries, to understand his words to mean ?

  Only then can we get a real understanding, i.e by the proper use of Exegesis.

  Looking at things like Ancient Texts through the wrong end of the Telescope, with a 21st Century "eye" is silly, as is making assumptions first such as the Biblical Works are the "Word of God" in some way.

  The way the J.W Org. "interprets" the Bible is just plain wrong, ignorant in the extreme, and very childish and VERY silly !
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  Smoking

  by NotFormer in

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  is it likely to be removed from the list of disfellowshippable offences?

  given that the ban on smoking 🚬 is completely unbiblical*, might they ever remove it?.

  *even mainstream christianity can only come up with one verse "against" it, the one that says that the body is the temple of the holy spirit.

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  Phizzy

  YHWH/Jehovah loved the smell of cannabis, the Priests burned it on the alter in the Temple.
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  A Modest proposal to solve the 1914 problem

  by r51785 in

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  throughout watchtower history dates have been a problem.

  the usual solution for failed prophetic dates has been to kick the can down the road.

  this needs to be done with 1914. the generation that will never pass away is now 110 years old and therefore is past its useful life span.

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  Phizzy

  All credible moves, but still utter twaddle with regard to the last Article, the prophecies of Jesus were all supposed to have occurred, according to his words in the Gospels, within the lifetimes of those right there listening to his words !

  To look for a fulfillment of a prophecy that has already failed in one major feature is totally laughable.
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  2023 Yearly Report UNDER the Microscope

  by raymond frantz in

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  https://youtu.be/pi7sn2rnrke?si=lnvklqct6nuayv2q.

  branches of jehovah’s witnesses: 85 (= down one from 86 from the previous year and quite possibly they are referring to the hong kong bethel that closed down recently).

  number of lands reporting: 239 ( =the same as 2022).

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  Phizzy

  Even J.W's who only recently died in the last few years would be astounded at what the org. has become !
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  A Modest proposal to solve the 1914 problem

  by r51785 in

  1. watchtower
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  throughout watchtower history dates have been a problem.

  the usual solution for failed prophetic dates has been to kick the can down the road.

  this needs to be done with 1914. the generation that will never pass away is now 110 years old and therefore is past its useful life span.

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  Phizzy

  It will be interesting to see what utter twaddle they come up with next, or they may decide to simply let it die, the 1914 type crap, as they did with Rutherford's 1925 rubbish.

  But hey, we are still in the very last seconds of the Last Day !
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  A Modest proposal to solve the 1914 problem

  by r51785 in

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  throughout watchtower history dates have been a problem.

  the usual solution for failed prophetic dates has been to kick the can down the road.

  this needs to be done with 1914. the generation that will never pass away is now 110 years old and therefore is past its useful life span.

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  Phizzy

  The 1914 Doctrine is complete and utter bollocks from start to finish, start = 607 BCE which has been totally discredited as a date for the destruction of Jerusalem, King neb. was not even ruling then ! It has been proven by several methods that are irrefutable evidence that the destruction the Org. refers to happened in 587 BCE.

  The middle idea of the "Prophecy" is bollocks too, no way can you extrapolate 2520 years from Daniel 4 anyway, it is a total fantasy brain-fart idea by William Miller in the early 19th Century, a farm boy and amateur Bible interpreter.

  The End, if you start from the proper year, you are in a year when nothing happened of any significance, 1934.

  They are stuck with 1914, because : No 1914 = No 1919 Choosing by Jesus = Today's G.B are self-appointed Charlatans.
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  The Meaning of ETC

  by titch in

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  folks: i don't mean to be a "forum grammar policeman", but there is something that i've noticed a few times.

  i've noticed that a few---not all---but some, members of the forum who use the abbreviation "ect" when they want to use the abbreviation of "etc.

  " for your education today, the term "etc" is the abbreviation for the latin term "et cetera.

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  Phizzy

  Titch, yes, that is known in the U.K as the "Greengrocer's Apostrophe", as years ago those guys put out a chalk board with lots of unnecessary Apostrophes !

  Phizzy, Apprentice Pedant.
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  2023 Yearly Report UNDER the Microscope

  by raymond frantz in

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  https://youtu.be/pi7sn2rnrke?si=lnvklqct6nuayv2q.

  branches of jehovah’s witnesses: 85 (= down one from 86 from the previous year and quite possibly they are referring to the hong kong bethel that closed down recently).

  number of lands reporting: 239 ( =the same as 2022).

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  Phizzy

  On the matter of fudging figures, why do they say "239 Lands" ? I know they list various Territories , but these are not "Lands", there are only 195 Lands in the World.

  Again, J.W Org. has its own unique, and wrong, definition of a word. It occurs to me that this is a way of fooling the R&F JW's in to thinking the label they attach to funds "spent" of Worldwide Work is actually literal, when of course, there are many places with very few J.W's, and probably some with none.

  Thank you Ray for the O.P. and to all for the other comments since. This Report does nothing to convince me they are doing well in any way, unless you just look at the bald percentage increases and compare with other religious groups with no analysis, and it has done nothing to convince me that the Org. is not moribund.
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  The Meaning of ETC

  by titch in

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  folks: i don't mean to be a "forum grammar policeman", but there is something that i've noticed a few times.

  i've noticed that a few---not all---but some, members of the forum who use the abbreviation "ect" when they want to use the abbreviation of "etc.

  " for your education today, the term "etc" is the abbreviation for the latin term "et cetera.

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  Phizzy

  Well thanks for the link PP. but I do not think the O.P is guilty of pedantry !
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  Why disfellowship must be eliminated for the survival of the WT itself

  by TheScientist in

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  this topic i digress about why the watchtower relaxing the rules of disfellowship is essential for its survival.

  many things i'm going to say are not my ideas, some are, the point is, i'm condensing everything in a logical and concise way.. the first thing we have to keep in mind is that the wt's main objective in instituting disfellowship has always been not to lose members because of the damage that a dissident could do, or to avoid gaining new members because of the bad reputation of a confessed sinner in the his/her region.

  in the end, the more active members, the more money to the coffers.. in this case of disfellowship due to apostasy, to avoid any spark, texts were sought out of context that even prohibited saying "hi".

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  Phizzy

  " there are absolutely better social networks out there…"

  So very true ! Long before I woke up and left, I said to a JW "I get a better welcome in so-and-so than I do in the K.H. In the place I referred to, everybody said "hello" and chatted and asked after my welfare, some in the K.H could not even be arsed to say "Good Morning".

  The trouble is, you don't realise this fully until you leave.

  Tinkering at the edges of the various things that are systemically wrong with J.W org, be it DFing or whatever, will not stop the steady flow of those leaving IMO.