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  Are you a coward?

  by Bugbear in

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  active jw:s spending their time with the preaching work, are often aware of that their message does not comply with simple scientific facts.

  they know that evolution has taken place, that the timetable of the bible is not correct, and that most of the bibles content, are tales, that the original text has been rewritten, and rewritten, and misunderstood, and rewritten (except for a fragment p54, which is from 300 a.c.) still they go out preaching, trying to find possible converts to the teaching of the gb.. often they try to do as little as possible, one or two hours per month, talking to their children, or old parents.

  this to satisfy the elder who is responsible for the report list to the society.. but are these people not responsible for promulgate a lie.

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  tornapart

  Sorry Bugbear! And thanks for that, I think I am just very touchy about this subject and perhaps over sensitive. It is an extremely hard situation to be in and I would so love to be free of it all. My children are all grown and of course are all 'in'. Hubby is an elder.

  It's been two years for me so far and at least my immediate family all know how I feel. They still expect me to go to meetings and FS though. I would love to just give it all up! It would be so freeing. They see the meetings as spiritual refreshment. I see them as stress inducing and nauseating.

  At the moment I'm reading as much as I can, personal experiences of those trapped inside fundamentalist religions and their escape. Self help books. Inspirational books. Just to get some positivity and encouragement. At the moment I'm reading the book Boundaries. To try and see what I can say/do to help me with the fading and let others know what to expect of me and what I will/will not allow.

  I'm glad you finally got free! And I hope it doesn't take me 10 years! though I'm not holding my breath...
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  Are you a coward?

  by Bugbear in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  active jw:s spending their time with the preaching work, are often aware of that their message does not comply with simple scientific facts.

  they know that evolution has taken place, that the timetable of the bible is not correct, and that most of the bibles content, are tales, that the original text has been rewritten, and rewritten, and misunderstood, and rewritten (except for a fragment p54, which is from 300 a.c.) still they go out preaching, trying to find possible converts to the teaching of the gb.. often they try to do as little as possible, one or two hours per month, talking to their children, or old parents.

  this to satisfy the elder who is responsible for the report list to the society.. but are these people not responsible for promulgate a lie.

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  tornapart

  You get the judgemenatalism from the inside because you are not 'doing enough' and are therefore spiritually weak. You get the judgementalism from the outside because you are doing too much and should 'man up', tell everyone what you really think and risk losing every single person you have ever loved.

  Guess what? I feel angry. Angry at them and angry at people like you. Then to put us on the same level as Nazis?!! For your information, I've not 'dragged anyone into this cult', in fact I'm trying to get my family to see it for what it is and it's a long drawn out process. I'm not leaving without them and I don't see this as being cowardly!!

  Right now after your comments I feel just like my username... thanks for that.
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  Be honest. Am I an abusive Father??

  by DATA-DOG in

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  2. beliefs

  i was angry with my kid for questioning me.

  i work, i pay the bills, i provide food, clothing and shelter for them.

  instead of respect, i get attitude.

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  tornapart

  I know there's the scripture that says God remembers that we are dust. But dust is NOT dirt. They have taken it totally out of context. Our being like dust to God means he knows we have weaknesses and imperfections. We are not strong and powerful like he is. We cannot do the things he can do. It's like the difference between an adult and a newborn infant.

  We do NOT have to think of ourselves as something on the bottom of someone's shoe. God does not think of us that way. He loves and cherishes us despite our weaknesses and imperfections. Thinking of ourselves as precious in God's eyes is by no means prideful!
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  Finally getting a shepherding call... or so I thought

  by Zoos in

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  2. friends

  a few weeks ago i got a visit from a sister from the old congregation.

  she was our uber pioneer, fearless, regular and often accompanied by her husband, a ministerial servant.

  she didnt know i lived here so it was a brief visit after she found out i had disassociated myself.. i got a knock at the door a few minutes ago and it was her husband this time.

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  I actually feel very sorry for him. It's going to be a long hard struggle, especially at his age. You did really well to not bombard him with loads of stuff Zoos. Let's hope he tries to find some more kind support and help.
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  Be honest. Am I an abusive Father??

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was angry with my kid for questioning me.

  i work, i pay the bills, i provide food, clothing and shelter for them.

  instead of respect, i get attitude.

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  tornapart

  Teens know exactly how to press their parents' buttons. Mine are all through it and out the other side now with no harm done on either side. They are good well-balanced adults.

  Yes, there were many occasions I wished I'd done/said things differently but no human and no parent of a teen with attitude gets it right every time!

  The biggest thing that made a difference for me was to apologise to my teen if I'd got it wrong. Words can crush and once they're out you can't get them back but apologising and saying 'I shouldn't have said that, I'm sorry', makes a big difference. Many times it can cause the teen to apologise for their behaviour and you can start to get back on track with them.

  Edit: just seen your second post DD!

  Don't think 'mother' is ever going to apologise to us!!
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  Please correct these sentences.

  by compound complex in

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  walking down the street, the trees were beautiful.. i saw the trailer peeking through the window.. reaching the station, the sun came out.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/dangling_modifier.

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  tornapart

  Thankyou Coco

  Oub.. do I get half a point for that one?
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  How to make women happy

  by Earnest in

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  ever since adam, men have tried to understand the rules when dealing with women.

  finally, this merit/demerit guide will help you to understand just how it works.. .

  aim: make the woman happy.

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  tornapart

  Deleted.. Sorry info might give me away!
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  Please correct these sentences.

  by compound complex in

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  walking down the street, the trees were beautiful.. i saw the trailer peeking through the window.. reaching the station, the sun came out.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/dangling_modifier.

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  tornapart

  Just a guess Coco...

  Henny Penny has fewer eggs in her basket than she thought.

  Martha gave me and Ben a glance that could kill.

  The result of too many personal indulgences is sloth.

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  Can anyone explain love?

  by mrhhome in

  1. jw
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  we have had a variety of theist vs atheist debates on this forum.

  usually, it devolves (or evolves?

  ) into a debate on what can or cannot be proven.. so let's step back a second.

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  tornapart

  LisaRose... what a wonderful story!! That's beautiful! True love conquers all!

  Another love story. (It's another year on since this!)

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dQeHyfIueE
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  Phizzy Said this......And I am afraid I disagree

  by KateWild in

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  i still find it strange that believers cannot get it in to their heads that atheism is not a belief, but theism is.

  there cannot possibly be proof "for" the atheistic position as it is simply a position that says i see no proof for a god.. if someone says there are pink unicorns with purple spots and i say i have never seen any proof of their existence, i cannot offer proof of my "position", the onus is 100% upon the spotted unicorn guy to prove their existence to me.

  simple.. where the frustration enters in for us non-unicornists is when the unicornists expect us to listen to inane arguments , non facts and plain nonsesnse and then go along with their delusion.

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  tornapart

  Cofty: A perfect example of a superstitious delusion, and of the way faith is the enemy of the pursuit of knowledge.

  Just your opinion Cofty.