What about all the scriptures that speak of a 'new heavens' and a 'new earth', Satan being bound for a thousand years, then coming to his end. The end of death.. these things haven't happened yet so they must be future.
tornapart
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What Scriptural Support Is There For Believing in Second/Greater Fulfillments of Bible Prophecy?
by JWB inwhat scriptural support is there for believing in second/greater fulfillments of bible prophecy?.
this is a genuine equiry into where the idea of second/greater fulfillments of bible prophecy originated.
does it have definite scriptural support or is it simply an extra-biblical religious device thought up to try to make prophecies appear relevant to the modern age?
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BEARDS: Why JW men don't have them
by 00DAD ini know this has been dished over before, but when i was doing some research i discovered a couple of interesting points.
as far as i can find, there is only one wt article that implies that jw men should not have beards.
*** w75 8/15 pp.
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tornapart
Jesus had a beard, the angels have beards (in the WT illustrations), the Israelites had beards, the apostles had beards...CT Russell had a beard... Oh look... Rutherford didn't...
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Going out with a bang
by LittleToe inafter much deliberation, i decided to go "out" at the end of a public talk.
it didn't go down too well, but at least i was able to give some of my reasons for leaving.. i've put some of the details on my homepage.
i'll update it more when i get the time and the strength.
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tornapart
Awesome! What a bombshell!!
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BEARDS: Why JW men don't have them
by 00DAD ini know this has been dished over before, but when i was doing some research i discovered a couple of interesting points.
as far as i can find, there is only one wt article that implies that jw men should not have beards.
*** w75 8/15 pp.
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tornapart
We've got a bro.. an MS in our cong who has a beard and an elder from another cong gave a public talk not long ago.. but then I guess it's a bit different in europe...
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Ridiculous reasons that "this MUST be the truth"!!!
by stillstuckcruz inever since i began researching about mind control, the organization, etc....i've really been paying attention to the actions and comments of the members of the congregation.
i've been noticing how so many people(usually the sisters) make up such ludicrous statements of how "this must be the truth"!.
for instance, the other day a brother at our hall who is only his early 40's was admitted to the hospital because of a bad infection.
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tornapart
Only ones who makes the name of God known. I always thought that was a good one, it's true isn't it?
Well, it seems to me that all it's done is make the name of Jesus less known. He only ever called God 'Father'. By diminishing Jesus they've managed to insert themselves (the GB) into the place that Jesus was pushed out of. And the Organisation belongs to Jehovah. Anyone going against 'his' organisation is going against him!
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New here...need some support
by Freeof1914 infirst of all i am happy to be here..this site has been an invaluable tool which helped me get to the point where i am today.
i was born and raised as a jehovah's witness and i am now 30 yrs old.
my entire family are die hard witnesses; pioneers, elders, bethel etc.
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tornapart
Hi Free.. I'm in a similar position, family all in, husband an elder. I'm sticking with it. I'm at home right now while they are all at the meeting. I try to miss as many as I can get away with. No one can tell you what you should do, it's a very personal decision and only you know what is right for you. My only advice would be to take it slowly and carefully. Don't burn any bridges with your family until you are sure what it is you want.
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Classic Doublespeak--- "You must do your own thinking; let the WTS tell you how"
by pharmer ineducation teaches you how to think.propagandists tell you what to think.true educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion.
propagandists hammer hard on their view and discourage discussion.many times their true motives are hidden.
they sift the facts, tell the favorable ones and conceal the others.
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tornapart
Brilliant article.. I printed it off a while ago... just to remind myself that according to the WTS I'm doing the right thing... LOL
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THANK YOU Steven Unthank
by cedars inohiocowboy has just posted this information on the two other threads dealing with the sudden collapse of the unthank cases.. i don't know steven unthank, but i just want to thank him from the bottom of my heart for having the courage against overwhelming odds to try and bring the watch tower society to justice over their deplorable neglect when it comes to protecting children from abuse and molestation.. steven is a man of justice and integrity who i deeply admire.
his actions will never be forgotten, and i only hope he can find it within himself to continue his work in whatever avenue may become available in the future.. they have won this battle, but they can never win the war.. .
cedars.
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tornapart
Me too, I was shocked by the picture (I thought it was one of the children). At the end of the day it's them that need protecting and it seems that Mr. Unthank has put a lot of time, money and emotional energy into something that 99% of us wouldn't have the bottle to do.
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Africa Investment Summit 2012 and Watchtower
by TJ Curioso inover the next 19 days, 20 and 21 march 2012, at one whitehall place (london), a meeting will take place for large fund investors.
this meeting will target investment on the african continent in real estate, alternative energy, infrastructure, "hedge funds",commodities, venture capital, foreign exchange market, etc .... africa investment summit 2012, is the name of the conference.. http://www.venues-london.co.uk/venues/one_whitehall_place/.
guess who will be represented there?
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tornapart
My son is a pioneer, doing a part time dead end job so he can 'serve Jehovah'... it would take him 6 months to earn what they spend on this in one evening... makes me feel physically sick.
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A Born ins challenge to develop a "post cult" personality.
by stuckinamovement ina born ins challenge to develop a post cult personality.. mentally leaving the organization can be traumatic for a number of reasons.
one of the biggest challenges for born-ins in finding their pre cult personality is that our entire personalities are based on the religion.
there is no such thing as a pre cult personality for us.
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tornapart
What I want to know SIAM is how do we go about doing it? Especially when you're in your 'senior' years and everyone you know is 'in it'. How can you go about finding your real self? I was born and brought up a JW. pioneered straight from school, got married, had kids (and dead end jobs) and now have a grandchild... so.. what do I do next and how??? Is it just a waste of time even attempting it at this time of life?
And I'm sure I'm not the only one asking this...