I have a pagan friend too Pam's girl. Even while I was a JW. We had a lot of other things in common and we both respected each other's beliefs. She was/is such fun.... always has me in stitches. :)
tornapart
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At last....I made the connection with an old friend...who is a practising Pagan
by Pams girl inim the nervy, anxious type.
i suffer with panic attacks and sometimes my agoraphobia cripples me.
the organisation effectively isolated me fo a long time.
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Attended 2-Day Circuit Assembly--Highlights
by Cadellin insince my spouse is an active elder, i accompany him to sads, cas and das, at least for the time being.
anyway, i thought i'd share some of the more odd/disturbing bits from the latest "sanctify god's name" ca.
there wasn't anything particularly new but the tone toward porn, higher ed, bad assoc, "habitual" murmuring and harmful gossip is definitely hardening, as are the cautions against social networking.
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tornapart
Cadellin, I've sent you a PM :)
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Strategically, the GB should accept 587
by I Want to Believe inright now, the 587/607 is a major weak link; doctrines can be argued in circles for days, but the overwhelming evidence for 587 is damning to their entire theology, and it can be found with very little effort.
however, if they just bite the bullet and "new light" a 587 date for jerusalem's destruction it solves a lot of their problems:.
-removes their main weak secular point of argument.
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tornapart
Thay had their chance in the 70's but did nothing. I can't see them doing it now.
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My rambling story
by MsGrowingGirl20 ini am 18...my mother has been studying the bible with jw's for over 20 years now.
she has never been baptised for various reasons.she wasn't married at the time to my abusive and drunkard father...when she started studying she got married to him--then she left him 4 years after.since then almost everywhere we moved mommy was approached by the jw's and she regularly had discussions with them .. when we bought our current home and the jw's appproached us 3 years ago,mommy was working day and night and so she told them to study with me.the next sunday we started going to meetings...all the meetings...i became a publisher in 4 months and was baptised 8 months after...i was told by everyone that i was progressing well...because of my mom's hectic work schedule ( single mother 4) we never had a close relationship so i immediately became really close to my study conductor...i was taught that religion and the people at the kh had to take precedence over any family members especially those who were a part of the world..from then on i never went to any family gatherings,concerts and i began to 'look down' on my mother.after all her heart condition wasn't right--why wasn't she baptised?
our relationship plunged---i even told her that i wanted to leave this house...she knew that i felt closer to my study conductor and so she tried to start back her study and get baptised....again she was dating someone and contemplating marriage with him but my study conductor kept on drilling into her head 'marry only in the lord'.
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tornapart
MsGG.. I'm moving in the same direction as you.. and am discovering so many new things in God's word and so much more about Jesus, I actually find it quite exciting. In my eyes the GB have taken his position and that is the biggest aspect I hate about it. I'm sure other believers on here will know exactly what you mean. We've been on a treadmill, not of pleasing God or his Son (even though we felt we were) but of working for the organisation who can never be satisfied, we always have to do more more more. I realise now that the whole point has been totally lost.
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Those on JWN still serving as elders...What if?
by Kensho inapostates undercover elders (i know there are some professed elders on here) have you ever handled a jc envoling a publisher viewing sites like jwn or others and who question the gb etc.. and if not what if you were assigned a jc involving apostacy?.
i would think this would be almost, if not an impossible situation.. kensho.
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tornapart
EE.. wish you were in my cong! Then if I got 'caught out' I'd have someone fighting my side for me.. :)
I think being an elder and knowing it's all a sham, must be an incredibly difficult place to be and I really feel for you...
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The Bible and Genetics
by sabastious ini recently read in discover magazine that scientists have found a way to turn on and off memory cells in our brain.
they say that this is good news for people with post traumatic stress disorder, which i was diagnosed with a few years ago.
this, to me, brings up the ethical question of what did the traumatic events in my life, and the lives of others, add to society as a whole?
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tornapart
Very interesting post Sab.. love the painting too and I can see what you mean..
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New member
by Kool Jo ini've been lurking here since late last year...was very hesitant to join the forum because of fear that satan would control my pc.... .
i'm born in, but always had my little doubts about "the truth" since i was young, but went ahead and got baptized ect.... .
i stumbled upon this site while looking for a km and initially thought it was a jw forum, but after seeing some of the titles of various threads, i thought to myself "i'm on an apostate website".
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tornapart
Kool Jo, there's a website called jwstruggle.com that's really good for JWs who are having doubts, fading or left and want answers, the 'what do I do next' or 'what do I believe now' kind of thing. I've found it really helpful. Some good articles there. Have a look if you haven't already.
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UNPACKING the language that Traps
by Terry in"you must be holy because jehovah is holy", the watchtower, february 15, 1976. page 124, "would not a failure to respond to direction from god through his organization really indicate a rejection of divine rulership?".
the above quoted watchtower article came the year after the failure of 1975 on every level.. not only was the worldwide publicity connected with 1975 totally embarassing to jehovah's name and organization it was the 2nd time the error.
had been made!
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tornapart
Brilliant find Terry! So if mankind's 6,000 year existence ended in 1872 and this was from God then 1975 was a sham. And if 1975 was the end of 6,000 years of mankind's existence and this was from God, 1872 must have been a sham. So either way, it can't possibly be from God!
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Baby I Love Your Way
by TOTH inwhen i was about 16 years old i began recording some of the music i was learning how to play.
i can still remember the scoldings i got too.
whether it was a blues instrumental i wrote or a cover song, i caught hell for it.
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tornapart
Very nice TOTH! A relative of mine left the org. and in his 50's now does his own music, plays guitar, sings, writes music, plays in clubs and sells CDs. It's not too late!
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Carrying a gun out in service
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tornapart
Having said that I think I conveniently forgot about a guy in our cong that was attacked by a psycho with a knife and ended up in hospital, he was lucky not to get killed...
But it would be impossible to get hold of a gun legally here, and if you were caught with one you'd find yourself in jail for a long time!