Posts by tornapart

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DEEP WRINKLES!!!!!!!

by DATA-DOG in

any advice about what really works for deep wrinkles/ sun damage?

the new system is not here, and i worked outside for years without adequate protection from the sun.

i don't want to be overly-concerned about looks because we all age.

tornapart

Avon anti-wrinkle creams DD... just don't tell the wife..

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Evolution is Crap, there I said it!

by Crazyguy in

jw
friends

ok i started another thread and every one jumped on me because i was trying to take the theory of evolution out of the mix and most here seem to believe in it so i will just say it.

the theory of major evolution is crap!

the theory is falling apart.

tornapart

LOL Crazyguy... you're either brave or reckless... HOW DARE YOU SAY EVOLUTION IS CRAP!! hahah

One thing always puzzles me. When watching some really interesting nature documentaries, the evolution believing presenter uses the word 'design' or 'designed'. I've noticed it many times, David Attenborough has said it, Brian Cox has said it, Chris Packham has said it and others. How does evolution 'design' something? It's like giving some kind of inanimate process an intelligence of sorts.

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My response to any one who asks why I am fading

by Skinnedsheep in

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friends

i have thought a lot about what to say when i am approached.

it will kill my fade, but oh well.. "after the new light i had to test my faith and i couldn't prove to myself that the slave was limited to the governing body.".

if cornered by an elder...."can you prove to me from the scriptures that matt.

tornapart

For anyone that is not family or extremely close friend, how about 'It's none of your business'.

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Arguments in favor of the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 BCE

by TJ Curioso in

i received the following explanation in favor of the date of 607 bce.

accepted comments on the points at issue.. .

conclusion.

tornapart

607BCE is only an important date to JWs because of 1914. If 607 is wrong then so is 1914. However 1914 cannot be right because Jesus said 'this generation will not pass away'. Well, it has passed away. To get round this obvious blunder they have had to invent an 'overlapping generation' which when looked at seriously is totally ridiculous to anyone with half a brain. If 1914 is wrong who actually cares about 607BCE? None of the other bible dates carry so much import that someone is condemned for being a mentally diseased apostate for not believing it! Ask any JW what date King David was on the throne, they wouldn't have a clue.

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Are there people who have returned

by His Excellency in

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friends

considering all the consequences of leaving the organization (especially the loss of family), some who have already known ttat have decided to return and continue with the flow just to keep their families and friend.. my question is if anyone here had tried it and how they have been managing living a lie constantly day-after-day?, as i am seriously considering returnning back to the full routine..

tornapart

Well, I never left, I'm still in but wish I could be out completely. However I know what you mean, if you want to keep your relationship with your spouse you may have to 'fake it' a bit. I manage it by going to as few meetings as I can get away with, as little FS as possible, no answering up, no talks and refusing to be guilt tripped if I say no to anything. It is hard but it's just about do-able.

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Judicial Meeting

by Kool Jo in

so here you are...sitting with a couple of elders at judicial meeting, and you're asked the following question:.

"do you still believe that the fds is the channel that jehovah is using"?.

now is it possible to answer 'no' without being df, or how would you answer that question?.

tornapart

I would just turn it round and ask them what Jesus asked his apostles.. "Who really is the FDS?" Last year it was all the anointed, this year it's only the GB, so how do I know what to believe?

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Jehovahs Witnesses and the Curse of Music.

by donny in

jehovahs witnesses and the curse of music.. .

i was inspired to write this after listening to a recent podcast of the thinking atheist by seth andrews.

as many of you know, seth was a devout christian who not only loved contemporary christian music but was one of the hosts of a popular morning show on kxoj in tulsa, oklahoma in the 1990s.

tornapart

I remember decades ago I went to a pioneer school. I travelled in with a brother (He was at the same pioneer school and I was staying with him and his little family). We travelled several miles alone in the car (neither of us had a problem with that, nor did his wife) and all the way there and back we listened to Yes and Mike Oldfield. I was invited to a sister's home for tea one evening, her son was a Bethelite, he'd left his music collection behind as it wasn't allowed in Bethel. He had Black Sabbath, Led Zep, Deep Purple etc... My own record collection was filled with rock albums... today I enjoy gospel rock too.

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What about your vow to Jehovah?

by a watcher in

did you get baptized without being dedicated?.

why did you allow men to come between you and jehovah?.

why were you serving jehovah at all?

tornapart

Watcher.... read this book:- it doesn't take long, I read it in 3 days. Do you ever wonder what the GB do? What they say? What happens behind closed doors in the Brooklyn Bethel. You seem to me to be a JW who is curious about things. I was curious, I came across this book and read it out of curiosity. It's a fascinating read.... I didn't see things the same way once I'd read it....

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1310174.Crisis_Of_Conscience

[Link changed by jgnat, rule 4, copyright]

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What about your vow to Jehovah?

by a watcher in

did you get baptized without being dedicated?.

why did you allow men to come between you and jehovah?.

why were you serving jehovah at all?

tornapart

'I just go with it'............................... like a robot................ without thought, without question... they've done all the work for you haven't they? And you just accept it whether it's right or wrong...

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What about your vow to Jehovah?

by a watcher in

did you get baptized without being dedicated?.

why did you allow men to come between you and jehovah?.

why were you serving jehovah at all?

tornapart

"we don't emphasize Jesus because he is only one part".......

WOW!! That says it ALL! Isa 9:6 calls him Mighty God... he was given a name above every name and even the angels worship him (Heb 1:6, in the Kingdom Interlinear or footnote of large print bible and all other translations)

The whole of the NT is about Jesus Christ.. our Saviour, our Redeemer, our Lord, our King.... The SON OF GOD!! And you say he is 'ONLY A PART'!!!