If you read the book of Enoch (alluded to by Jude) it will tell you lots more about the archangels.
tornapart
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Archangels
by dog is god inbeng raised n da troof i thought there was one archangel, michael ( aka jesus ).
so i am talking to a woman who mentions that she named her cats after the archangels (plural).
how could i have missed that little gem?
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Earthly Organization Reset - What Would You Do?
by committeechairman ini've been reading and posting comments on this site for a while now (about a year) and the comments i see indicate that many who are here have good ideas about what would be required if either (1) jehovah's witnesses were completely reset and the whole framework of belief and organization were started over or (2) if a completely new organization were built.
this assumes, of course, that you believe god exists and that he is interested in human affairs (i know some of you don't).
it also assumes that you do not believe that the "heritage" of jehovah's witnesses has such great weight and importance that it precludes putting all beliefs and procedures on the table to examine them and change them if necessary.. given all this, what do you believe should be the beliefs and organization of true worship today?
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tornapart
Definitely to be done away with. All it's for is control. I don't do much FS so I am 'spirtually weak'. They want to guilt trip the brothers into doing more, more, more... at the risk of their mental, emotional and spiritual health. Too many are burning out because of it.
Where's the love of God and fellow man in it? It's all about numbers, guilt, self-righteousness, duty, obligation and fear.
Doesn't the bible say 'Love throws fear outside' ? If FS was done with a heart full of love there is no need for time slips!
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Earthly Organization Reset - What Would You Do?
by committeechairman ini've been reading and posting comments on this site for a while now (about a year) and the comments i see indicate that many who are here have good ideas about what would be required if either (1) jehovah's witnesses were completely reset and the whole framework of belief and organization were started over or (2) if a completely new organization were built.
this assumes, of course, that you believe god exists and that he is interested in human affairs (i know some of you don't).
it also assumes that you do not believe that the "heritage" of jehovah's witnesses has such great weight and importance that it precludes putting all beliefs and procedures on the table to examine them and change them if necessary.. given all this, what do you believe should be the beliefs and organization of true worship today?
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tornapart
How I believe it should be.
Loosely organised with congregations being autonomous. No rigidity in either beliefs or purpose. The unity should be love based and not works based. No heirachy. All are merely brothers with only Christ as Master.
No one should be penalised or castigated for having different views. Elders should have far less to do, the red tape should be got rid of and brothers and sisters should be free to live their lives as they wish, according to their own bible based consciences. Elders should be there to be real shepherds, looking after the physical needs of the sick, elderly and destitute. Spritual needs should be cared for in a non legalistic way.
Unscriptural beliefs as far as I see it:-
Jesus is mediator of ALL and not of only 144,000.
Great Crowd are a heavenly group (all christians)
Emblems are to be partaken of by ALL christians
8 billion people are NOT going to die at Armageddon. It will not be only JWs who are saved.
The 'other sheep' are gentiles. The little flock are 1stC christian jews.
Baptism questions are totally wrong now.
Jesus became king in 33CE and not 1914
When he comes again it will be visible and not invisible
Overlapping generation is a farce
607 BCE is totally wrong.
The 'faithful and discreet slave' is a parable and not a prophecy. (Just like the slaves with the talents)
No single group of brothers should be above their other brothers.
There are many other things I think should be changed. However, I can't see it ever happening!
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What was the subject of the Watchtower Study this past Sunday?
by Lynnie ini have a psycho cousin that has decided to go back to the jw's after never wanting to be a jw even though.
now in her early thirties she's decided to join up.
i heard her say something about this.
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tornapart
It was all about creation. Quite a bit based on the brochures on the subject.
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YouTube interview with Sam aka KateWild
by RayPublisher init was a pleasure to interview our own katewild about her experiences and her recent audio recording with the elders.
the link is below:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_uwfkdfmdq.
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tornapart
Such a brave lady! Thanks Eric and Sam!
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An excellent book for those leaving a mind controlling religion.
by tornapart ini'm in the middle of reading this book and it's very good.
written by a psychologist who had been brought up in a fundamentalist religion she talks all about the difficulties of leaving a mind controlling religion and how to overcome them.
although it talks mainly about evangelical and pentecostal type religions she includes many others too.
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tornapart
There's also some good videos on youtube. Tag 'Religious Trauma syndrome'.
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An excellent book for those leaving a mind controlling religion.
by tornapart ini'm in the middle of reading this book and it's very good.
written by a psychologist who had been brought up in a fundamentalist religion she talks all about the difficulties of leaving a mind controlling religion and how to overcome them.
although it talks mainly about evangelical and pentecostal type religions she includes many others too.
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tornapart
I'm in the middle of reading this book and it's very good. Written by a psychologist who had been brought up in a fundamentalist religion she talks all about the difficulties of leaving a mind controlling religion and how to overcome them. Although it talks mainly about evangelical and pentecostal type religions she includes many others too. (She gives JWs a mention along with other cult types). Well worth a read.
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This Is The Cabal
by metatron inhttp://americankabuki.blogspot.com/2013/12/america-is-launching-giant-world.html.
imagine for a moment that the world is dominated by an ugly, arrogant, brazen bunch of sociopaths who have contempt for the rest of humanity.. the picture says it all.. .
metatron.
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tornapart
Creepy! Looks like something out of Pirates of the Caribbean... Are they trying to tell us they've got their tentacles everywhere?
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Attended the meeting tonight and fill in reading.
by DS211 inattended the meeting tonight, filled in for a sick person, nailed the reading..got asked where i was and one elder was pretty condescending...sarcastically responded with "oh really?!?!
you were sick?!?!
you had germs?!?!
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tornapart
I haven't been for a couple of weeks. Finding it increasingly difficult. Everytime they say 'God's Organisation', the 'Faithful Slave', the 'Governing Body' even using the name 'Jehovah' over and over again like parrots makes me feel physically ill. The guilt tripping, the 'we must do more, more, more', the emotional blackmailing-ie God won't love us if we don't do this or do that and he will destroy us at Armageddon ... is stressful and anxiety inducing.
Didn't Jesus say the truth would set us free? When I'm at a meeting I feel like I've been wrapped in heavy chains and a iron ball attached to my feet.
Freedom is missing lots of meetings and feeling no guilt whatsoever.
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Is asking questions of logic about a Global Flood effective in waking loved ones?
by BU2B ini was thinking about using a tactic of asking questions revolving around "noahs flood" to try to start my wife doing some serious thinking.
unlike doctrine that cannot often be proven one way or another, this issue can be proven beyond the slightest doubt that it is impossible.. i was thinking about asking a question something like this "i was reading about coral reefs today, and they sure are amazing!
what amazed me the most is how long it takes for them to build the reef, and how long they live!
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tornapart
It doesn't wake them up but I have used some things with family. The bible doesn't say the flood was global. I've made the point that it couldn't have been global because how would all of Austrailia's indigenous mammals ALL be marsupials. Why are lemurs only found in the wild on Madagascar? If the flood was global these animals would have been everywhere. It makes them think but I haven't found it changes anything.