Posts by wallsofjericho

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The decline and fall of the Watchtower empire..........

by Terry in

charisma can work wonders.. it can be both entertaining or maddening to large crowds of eager listeners.. whole populations can be swayed by a silver tongue or mad ranting poison-sac attached to a man leading a movement.. .

the history of the watchtower society proves this.. leadership is tricky and movements are volatile.

those who made you can undo you too.. .

wallsofjericho

in sharing my thoughts on the july 15, 2013 study edition and all the changes therein, I have seen two camps, those that can see the control agenda, and those that couldn't care less because they don't understand a word of it.

As one sister of absolute blind faith instructed me after I asked her a thought provoking question about the new changes: "just say....."I beleive"".

In a nutshell, you get it or you don't.

for most they must make a consciencious choice to NOT understand the "new light", they choose to just keep up the routine because the end is so close despite not knowing WHY its so close.
All the while not even realizing that the religion they were baptized into is an apostasy to the one they now serve.

Thanks Terry!

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SAD news about OOMPA......

by redredrose in

jw
friends

our friend, oompa, has passed away.

just recieved the news a couple of hours ago, and have almost no details.

it happened today or yesterday, he took his own life.

wallsofjericho

(((((((((((OOMPA!))))))))))))

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JW's and atheists agree on at least one thing - lets get religion out of schools

by besty in

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/the-new-battle-over-religion-in-schools.21292976.

secularist parent campaigners in scotland are trying to have schools religious assembly downgraded to opt-in - as it stands it is opt-out.

this means unless you want to separate your child from the rest of the class, they have to have the religious indoctrination - rock meet hard place.. some of the quoted parents remind me of jw's:.

wallsofjericho

oh I hope this type of protocol is in place before my little ones are in school!

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Jehovahs Witnesses couple accused of neglecting child by feeding only fruits, vegetables and juices

by Sol Reform in

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/jehovahs-witnesses-couple-from-jupiter-accused-of-/nyhx3/.

posted: 2:50 p.m. tuesday, june 11, 2013. jehovah's witnesses couple accused of neglecting child by feeding only fruits, vegetables and juicescomment(31) 21 191 22 477relatedview larger louis, claudelview larger louis, vanessaby alexandra seltzerpalm beach post staff writer.

a suburban jupiter couple is in the county jail today after they refused to give their 19-month-old boy the nutrients he needed, causing him to end up in a local hospital's intensive care unit.claudel and vanessa louis face charges of neglect of a child with great bodily harm.palm beach county sheriff's deputies were called to st. mary's medical center in west palm beach on june 5 to investigate the child neglect case.. the 19-month-old boy was admitted to the hospital may 24 after he had trouble breathing.the boy's doctor told the investigating deputy that the boy was severely malnourished, underdeveloped and was in respiratory distress, according to a sheriff's probable-cause affidavit.

wallsofjericho

that dude is not a JW.

Besides, there are stupid people in all religions and there are stupid atheists too.

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What about your vow to Jehovah?

by a watcher in

did you get baptized without being dedicated?.

why did you allow men to come between you and jehovah?.

why were you serving jehovah at all?

wallsofjericho

Watcher,

many of us realized that we never actually knew Jehovah, we only feared his punishment which was metted out by the organization.

When we realized we had dedicated ourselves to men, some allowed God to come between us and men.

Others were so damaged by the coercive persuasion of the WTS that if a loving God does exist he would certainly forgive the victims of this org for losing their faith

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New WT teaches Faithful slave appointed over belongings is a FUTURE event, do they know what this means regarding themselves now?

by EndofMysteries in

this doctrine change is very interesting.

the july 2013 study watchtower pages 8 para 17 and 18 makes these statements....... .

""""we understood that the arriving mentioned.

wallsofjericho

the "present truth" is that the F&DS were appinted over the domestics in 1914 (domestics = 144k as individuals AND the other sheep), after the "master arrives" they will be appointed over "all his belongings"

I don't have the article in front of me but I beleive they state that they do not know what those other things will be. They do state that they will not recieve a better or "higher" role among the 144,000 in heaven

Your point is still valid though, after all what is left to be appointed over if they already run everything of "Jehovah's" on earth now?

Oh I'm sure the GB will figure something out one day......

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I think my wife is going to open the can of worms...

by sosoconfused in

jw
friends

so over the last 5 - 7 months as some may know i have resigned as an elder and just came to a cold stop going to the meetings.

brothers call i wont answer the phone.

if they come by i just wont answer the door.

wallsofjericho

that is such an annoying article

they don't have the balls to come out and say "we, the GB, do not allow our R&F JW followers to use IVF" so instead they word the question to imply a consciencious decision while at the same time sending the clear message...

"Before coming to a knowledge of the truth, my wife and I submitted to in vitro fertilization because of our desire to have a baby. Not all our fertilized eggs (embryos) were used; some were frozen and stored. Must they be retained, or may they be disposed of?"

BAM! there is your answer! I didn't even read the whole question and I knew the answer The WTS is so GD predictable.

Then they again imply conscience by stating...

But one option that may be offered to them is that of removing the embryos from the nitrogen freezer, allowing them to thaw. Without the artificial environment of the freezer, the embryos would soon deteriorate to the point of no longer being viable. The couple have to decide whether they will permit that

But then they refer to Galatians 6:7 - "D o not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap" !!!!!!

What a bunch of idiots. They need to mind there own GD business

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new light = redefining meanings while retaining concepts and JW language

by wallsofjericho in

i thought of this during another thread.. major changes in the doctrine by dropping old ideas would seem too obvious.

as in the past the wts just "redefines" all the old terms.

the old - "taking from one shoulder and moving it to the other shoulder" trick.

wallsofjericho

Instead of fixing it they redecorate the house, hoping averyone will be blindsited by their appearance.

good analogy

I am always amazed at how no matter how much changes it somehow always seems like its just a slight shift.

Like when fractions were a big deal in 2006 we were referencing articles from 2001 and back to 1983 ! all of a sudden fractions had been a conscience decision for 25 years but nobody had ever realized it?

and when they dropped 1935 closing of the call it was just a breif little snipped in a KM. "oh well, we don't beleive that anymore". No one cared.

The R&F treat the "change" as a small and minor but never think to ask why we had it wrong for so long? Or don't consider how these minor changes added up over years amount to large shifts in doctrine.

The R&F will also defend the GB by saying "they are imperfect" or "they aren't inspired" but when you ask them how they get their information they say they are "guided by Holy Spirit".
Well what does that mean? are they inspired or aren't they? why does being imperfect have any bearing? is it that their imperfection causes them to misunderstand Jehovah's guidance? Why does HS allow that for decades at a time? If they are a channel for truth why do they get so much wrong?
Ultimately who's fault is it that they got "light" wrong? Did the HS lie or did the GB, in all their fleshly imperfection, surmize a "truth" from the scriptures without the help or guidance of Holy Spirit and just got it all wong? If that is what happened then when does HS really ever play a part? What else is wrong?

Even though the GB admits in print they determine teachings based on "current events amd the study and prayerful mediation of the inspired scriptures" no JW will come out and say just that..... that the GB are just figuring things out as they go along and the HS has nothing to do with it!

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new light = redefining meanings while retaining concepts and JW language

by wallsofjericho in

i thought of this during another thread.. major changes in the doctrine by dropping old ideas would seem too obvious.

as in the past the wts just "redefines" all the old terms.

the old - "taking from one shoulder and moving it to the other shoulder" trick.

wallsofjericho

I thought of this during another thread.

Major changes in the doctrine by dropping old ideas would seem too obvious. As in the past the WTS just "redefines" all the old terms. The same way "Generation" has been redefined allowing the WTS to maintain its favorite "generation of 1914" theory, the last days are now being redefined. The old - "taking from one shoulder and moving it to the other shoulder" trick

LAST DAYS

the definition of last days has been redefined to have "dispensations" (theres a WTS favorite), that is....

1 - 1914 = enthronement of JC, beginning of the harvest, appointment of F&DS over domestics
2 - uknown period of harvest leading to the Great Tribulation signifying JC arriving as "Judge" to judge the sheep & the goats, and the appointment of the F&DS over "all his belongings",
4 - unknown period of time for judging leading to the rapture of annointed ones
5 - unknown period of time after rapture until Armageddon

Hence the WTS can keep using their favorite words - "last days", "harvest", "Great Tribulation" along with all the familiarity they have in the ears of JW's who then say.... "not much has changed really..."

F&DS

the faithful and discreet slave has been redefined to exclude unnecessary and bothersome "anointed"

1 - F&DS used to be all 144,000 who have ever lived and are presently alive.
2 - these went back all the way to Pentecost 33CE
3 - these ALL provided food at the proper time
4 - today the F&DS is solely the GB as a group. This dismisses the signigance of Ray Franz' apostasy since as an individual he was not a member of the F&DS. This paves the way for dismissing future GB dissenters (one in the works???)

this allows the WTS to continue using this term as they always have along with all its nostalgic familiarity. This even keep old publications "up to date" in many ways by the term simply being anachronistically applied to the new 2013 definition of F&DS

DOMESTICS

domestics used to be comprised of only anointed. Who else could it be since the Greek scriptures are writton on to the anointed right? Well now Jehovah is actually speaking directly to us lowly other sheep in Matt 25:45 and we are being told to LISTEN TO THE GOVERNING BODY! Of course all anointed are also being given this clear direction... YOU MUST OBEY THE GOVERNING BODY.

Now instead of the R&F being put off by this, they somehow feel privileged! what a great spark of joy the GB has lovingly allowed the other sheep to partake of. "do we not consider it all joy to be a part of JC's domestics??" (audience applaudes)

GENERATION

let's skip all of the other generation definitions and focus on the only one anybody ever cared about.. that is the "Generation of 1914 will by no means pass away until all these things occur"

everybody loved this one, for 50 years we preached it. It was our hallmark, our mantra! Then in 1915 we turned a page in the WT and POOF! It was gone.
Yet earliy it remained, not only in the vernacular of the R&F ("you know the generation of 1914 is dwindling") but even in the publications (Reasoning Book to this day still defines the Generation as that of 1914 not passing away)

Despite yet another definition the R&F all yearned for the good ol' 1914 Generation.. those were such good years!!
So after the WTS went back in time to the 144k generation, they went back in time again to that good old 1914 generation. How did they do this?
THEY REDEFINED WHAT GENERATION MEANS!! Yes, now the good old generation of 1914 is back and the Reasoning book is actually up to date again. (Good thing they didn't reprint it in 1995 & 2007 eh?) yes the generation of 1914 will by no means pass away until all these things occur! Just realize that "generation" is and unending duration of overlappiing lifetimes!

So now we can use all our favorite buzz words! "Generation of 1914 by no means pass away", "this generation", "last days", "F&DS", "Domestics", "Great Tribulation", "Sheep & Goats", "Armageddon"... etc.

Then when us "apostates" or just liberal thinkers ask questions and when the R&F read the new WT's and hear all the new talks they will say... "well that's not really anything new, we kind'of already always beleived that anyway"

How many years has the GB been working on this? No doubt the underpinnings of these changes have been discussed at the GB Round Table for decades. I am certain of it! But over the past 10 year or so, these changes have been bubbling below the surface awaiting the right time to poke through.

I am still of course curious about the brief return of Generation = 144k for just 1.5 years and then too overlapping generations that saw 1914. Who died in 2008 to tip the scales on that 2/3's vote???? Just kidding, it must have been New Light from Jehovah's holy spirit ;)

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1914 must go... they have no choice now (at least it would seem)

by sosoconfused in

i am sure this may have been discussed previously and if so just disregard this.. .

as a born-in 1914 is a date stamped into my head that is pretty much the foundation of our religious beliefs.

nearly everything that sets jw's apart from everyone is this date of 1914. forget all the chronology that proves that daniels prophecy and the 2520 years is incorrect - there is far worse damning evidence that makes this date useless and in error.. with the magazine that shines new light on the whole faithful slave thing - charles taze russell is no longer a member of that faithful slave class that jesus is using to feed his people./ by getting rid of russell the no doubt were able to distance themselves from all his crazy ramblings and teachings that are appearing all over the internet.

wallsofjericho

By getting rid of Russell the no doubt were able to distance themselves from all his crazy ramblings and teachings that are appearing all over the internet. That is a good thing for them.

Agreed. 100%
I am certain the internet expose of CTR was part of the impetus for this shift

Would jesus have revealed this most sacred of prophecies to someone that wasn't part of the "slave class", yet all the prophecies that were issued by the self professed "slave class" have proven false. There will HAVE TO BE a number of people who will realize this...

as noted, CTR has been relegated to "john the baptist" status. This was very clever of the GB. The R&F will eat this up.
Now that CTR was not providing "food at the proper time" the errors of his teachings can be dismissed away.The GB can lean on only those teachings he spoke of that the F&DS/GB has retained(no hellfire, trinity, immortality of the soul)
This becomes the purpose of his "John the Bapitist" (JTB) role in proclaiming the true teachings of the F&DS to come.

1914 will continue to be the beginning of the last days BUT - the last days is being adjusted, redefined if you will just like they did with the generation, as of July 15, 2013 WT. The last days now consists of the time we are in now (the harvest) THEN the Great Tribulation (GT) THEN the period after is the judging of the sheep & the goats THEN the rapture of the remnant THEN Armageddon.

Between each of these events is an UNKNOWN period of time. Between all these temporal unkowns AND overlapping generations AND the dumping of all CTR's erronious and occultic references, the new F&DS/GB has paved the way for their rule by fiat on to eternity.

pretty clever I must say