..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
I remember from being in the ORG.. the scripture where Jesus say's " don't worry about what you are to eat... doesn't God take care of the birds ...."
or something like that... then I found out Birds and other animals can starve to death... Living here in Idaho.. we have to feed deer and elk or they will starve to death... So God really doesn't take care of all the animals .. Did Jesus not know this? one of the first things that made me wonder ..
TT
california most hated state, according to recent poll .. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/23/california-most-hated-state_n_1297843.html?ref=mostpopular.
bangalore.
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Now, our economy is a mess due to mismanagement of State government ( thanks Arnold )
Hillarious Flipper.... Do you you have any Idea what that looked like to the rest of the world... You all recall Grey Davis .. then have a side show election, pick a guy that made Big movies who's an Iconic sort of super hero in them... (by the way what was his skill set that made him seem like the man for the job) Then you all wonder what happened... he always wins in all his movies...
I guess it was better than Gary Coleman or the pornstar...
Any whoo.. Just funnin around
later tater
where where did I misss it Oh my !! must see TV .now... !!
yes why bother... thanks for reminding me what not to watch...
tt
many people will scoff at the thought that the org will collapse.
i agree that it will never collapse but the crumbling has begun.
think about the following.....they have a serious lack of potential future leaders.
great take being out for 20+ years ... can't see how it's still in buisness... everything printed is on the decline.. how can a printing company with only the users responsible for the entire cost be self sustaining .. with most members in low educated low paying jobs... in the worst economy in years.. when gas hits $5-$6 a gallon who's going to go door to door.. it's doom and gloom for the Watchtower..
TT
this is a bit of a rebuttal to greybeards ("lack faith in a creator.... watch this") post and the reason why many people lack any faith in a loving creator.
granted, there could be a superior intelligence that could have set certain events in motion but i do not believe there is a loving heavenly father who gives a rats ass about humanity!
its just that in all of recorded history, the human race has suffered (and continue's to suffer) a great deal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDuEWV_gUTk&context=C3d5f351ADOEgsToPDskIFp28xw_kAbiGGdR4nvhUT
he doesn't miss a trick and he's not absent minded..
this is a bit of a rebuttal to greybeards ("lack faith in a creator.... watch this") post and the reason why many people lack any faith in a loving creator.
granted, there could be a superior intelligence that could have set certain events in motion but i do not believe there is a loving heavenly father who gives a rats ass about humanity!
its just that in all of recorded history, the human race has suffered (and continue's to suffer) a great deal.
and Ricky Gevais say's .. and the snake gets punished how ... by crawling on his belly the rest of his days... what are you kidding .. he already does that, it's no punishment at all...
and in the very day of their eating it they did not die... he ended up giving them different punishments...
is this considered going of topic... been on to long... must stop posting ..now...
TT
this is a bit of a rebuttal to greybeards ("lack faith in a creator.... watch this") post and the reason why many people lack any faith in a loving creator.
granted, there could be a superior intelligence that could have set certain events in motion but i do not believe there is a loving heavenly father who gives a rats ass about humanity!
its just that in all of recorded history, the human race has suffered (and continue's to suffer) a great deal.
The JW explanation is that their god is going to shortly kill every man, woman, and child on earth - except for themselves.
And, probably - many of themselves will be destroyed for not going out in service enough.
That, my friends - is more insane than Charlie Manson.
but wait thers's more.... then bring everyone back(that weren't killed in big A) for another go round ... then kill them AGAIN.. after a 1000 years...
just to be fair !!
james_woods, Thats right!
What a great way to solve mans problems.. Just kill 99.9% of them. Move over Hitler, Stalin, theres a new sociopath in Town.
i hope that i am not being too presumptuous using your name in that heading.
but something you said on the elder and holy spirit link made me want to have a separate topic.
you said and funny how it only asserts itself when previous understandings (also directed by holy spirit, incidentally) cause issues with reconciling the core beliefs.
poopsiecakes ..... is smart, funny and good lookin too....
california most hated state, according to recent poll .. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/23/california-most-hated-state_n_1297843.html?ref=mostpopular.
bangalore.
.
these kinda polls are just dumb, in my opinion, no one thinks about which state they hate, till they are asked in a poll , therefore it's irrellevent...
I never thought about it till now and when I think about it I can't think of one.. or a valid reason to hate a state .. why would I..
TT
