Cummon guys, when we were "in" what did we do for most of the convention? Pale Emperor was sketching, writing stories, reading more interesting bible bits with lots of killing and waiting for the lunch break so he could meet girls.
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God's Rule Book ....The org is setting the scene....
by tor1500 ini went to my midweek meeting this week.
very interesting....couple of things i noticed in the god's rule book, this week finishing up "the kingdom is born in heaven".
there was a footnote that read:for many years the watch tower was intended mainly for members of the little flock for their personal edification.
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In Germany, the Watchtower logo must be removed from all kingdom halls
by processor inaccording to german april issue of our kingdom ministry, the watchtower logo must be removed from all kingdom halls:.
it sais that the watchtower logo - a stylised watchtower or a watchtower with a bible - is used by the watchtower society.
thus, it should not be used by congregations or private persons, neither on kingdom halls, stationary or anything else.
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pale.emperor
Kirkby Kingdom Hall in Liverpool, UK has the Watchtower Logo build into the brickwork. Different coloured bricks make the logo.
#FAIL #FACEPALM #RUNNINGAHEADOFTHECARIOT
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Your current thoughts regarding the holidays?
by HereIgo indue to the holidays fast approaching, i was curious about your thoughts and plans for the holidays.
i have been celebrating them now for the past couple of years and ill be honest it still feels weird to celebrate, mainly christmas and halloween.
thanksgiving seems normal because growing up as a jw we always celebrated it anyway (well the day after, but that's another thread) anyway, has it become the norm for you to celebrate now or are you used to not celebrating?.
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pale.emperor
This will be my first xmas. I do feel a little wierd about celebrating it. But if im gonna do Dec 25th im gonna do it properly. Im celebrating Yule instead. No baby Jesus, no "3 wise men", just some Germanic Paganism with my friends and little girl.
I think Christmas is much to commercialized and there is too much emphasis on that aspect of it. I know of "worldly" people who went deeply into debt every year for Christmas and were paying it off for the next 12 months, just to do it all over again.
I know what you mean, i actually never missed it but i loved xmas time because people seemed excited and there were great bargains the week after xmas. I wont be going silly and buying people crap just for the hell of it.
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November 1, 2016 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS Re: Using and Maintaining Kingdom Halls
by wifibandit innovember 1, 2016 to all bodies of elders re: using and maintaining kingdom halls.
table of contents.
ownership .........................................................................................pars.
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pale.emperor
Few things here (and it was a very boring letter by the way):
Ownership: Each Kingdom Hall is dedicated to the worship of Jehovah. Whether the property title, or deed, is held in the name of a local corporation or trustee arrangement or it is held in the name of a legal entity managed by the branch office, no congregation should conclude that it “owns” the Kingdom Hall. However, it is the responsibility of the congregations using the property to care for it and see that it is used in harmony with Kingdom interests.
1. Im no lawyer but are they seriously saying that lets say The Artist Formally Known As "Prince", for example, personally paid for a KH to be built on his own land, that the WT would still own it? Am i reading that right?
2. Of course no sister is mentioned as being qualified to handle the cleaning schedule. But she's more than qualified to get scrubbing like everyone else. How many women out there run their own cleaning businesses? I know of at least three from my old JW days.
3. Cleaning co-ordinator? Really? They just love their titles dont they?
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Do you feel regret?
by HereIgo into help me move on after leaving the org and to maintain my sanity, i have worked on not regretting the time i spent in it.
granted, i have only been out 6 years and was 22 when i left, i still was an active jw from age 16-22. those were prime times of my youth that i will never get back.
i wanted to play high school football and basketball but couldn't.
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pale.emperor
I have zero regret. If it wernt for being raised in the JW cult i wouldnt have had a fascination with bible history and people - sure some of it i need to re-learn but i really got a kick out of researching for No 3 talks. And i loved reading Mankinds Search For God, i still think that is a well written book.
Also, i think it's made me more aware of how people and myself especially are capable of being manipulated into say/doing some things that are just not right. My only regret is that i took part in shunning disfellowshipped people.
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My Ex Wife Admitted She Doesnt Believe It's The Truth
by pale.emperor inmy ex-wife actually opened up to me today over the phone.
she was quite anxious and, i could sense, i little upset.
for those that dont know my situation im separated from my wife.
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pale.emperor
Thanks everyone, particularly EdenOne and DJS (although i have no idea who Nancy Kerrigan is). No ones saying im getting back with her guys. Her plan is to move hall then never turn up. -
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What Were Your Elders Real World Jobs?
by pale.emperor inwe all know that education is severely demonized in this religion.
and that the elders are appointed based on how many meetings they attend, hours they put in on the ministry and general attitude to other elders (as apposed to, you know, actual theological training and counseling) - so my question is, what were your elders occupations outside the kingdom hall?.
in my old congregation our elders consisted of:.
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pale.emperor
We all know that education is severely demonized in this religion. And that the elders are appointed based on how many meetings they attend, hours they put in on the ministry and general attitude to other elders (as apposed to, you know, actual theological training and counseling) - so my question is, what were your elders occupations outside the Kingdom Hall?
In my old congregation our elders consisted of:
A bus driver
Two gardeners
A window washer
An office stationery monitor
The only one with any real education was one that taught blind kids to read braille. And fair play to him for that - credit where credit's due.
So imagine my surprise when the two gardeners and the stationery monitor tell me off for questioning 607 BCE which a pastry chef in Bethel had probably thought up one day.
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Were Conventions, Asemblies and the Memorials boring to you?
by HereIgo inconventions always just seemed like more of a vacation to me than anything else, especially if you had to travel out of town for it, but definitely were exhausting especially toward the end of each day.
for some reason i didn't mind the special and circuit assemblies too much, probably because they seemed like more of a social event than anything else and only 1-2 days.
the memorial always was kind of boring to me.
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pale.emperor
They were all boring. I can honestly say i've only ever listened to about 9 talks with 100% attention in my 31 years as a Jdub. And that was from a few CO's that i thought were really good speakers.
Conventions were boring as hell but, to be honest, my pals and I went with the intention to meet girls.
Memorial was boring and only ever exciting when someone decided this year that they were anointed. Would they do it again next year? Or if a born again turned up and partook.
Watchtower study was boring and was a great cure for insomnia if you were pre-studying at home at night.
All in all, what could have been interesting subjects or ideas were presented in very boring ways by people with no real training in public speaking. Our elders consisted of a bus driver, two gardeners, a window washer and a part time office stationery monitor. The only one with any real education was one that taught blind kids to read braille (and fair play to him for that - credit where credit's due).
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My Ex Wife Admitted She Doesnt Believe It's The Truth
by pale.emperor inmy ex-wife actually opened up to me today over the phone.
she was quite anxious and, i could sense, i little upset.
for those that dont know my situation im separated from my wife.
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pale.emperor
My ex-wife actually opened up to me today over the phone. She was quite anxious and, i could sense, i little upset. For those that dont know my situation im separated from my wife. I told her i had serious doubts and that i intended to fade which she was eventually ok with but then her sister in law found my "apostate" stuff on my computer and outed me. When the witch hunt started she left me. Her dad is an interfering elder and her family are like a family straight out of a Watchtower picture. Her leaving me was her fathers advice.
She called me today quite anxious and, i could tell, a little upset. Like she'd been crying. I'd had my daughter overnight and i had work in a few hours. She called to say she's feeling really anxious and could i look after our daughter today instead of handing her back. My ex has OCD, like, clinically bad OCD. When i first dated her she used to have plastic over her furniture and took her own cutlery to peoples houses when we went for dinner etc. But the congregation knew her since birth so didnt think anything of it. Her OCD causes her to be anxious when big changes happen in her life. This was one of them.
The conversation went as follows:
HER: im not happy here (her parents house)
ME: Why?
HER: It's just... i dont have a choice.
ME: How'd you mean?
HER: Like, if i dont want to go to the kingdom hall or out on the ministry. My dad goes on at me and my mum does too.
ME: You can do what you want you're a grown woman.
HER: I know but they make me feel guilty.
ME: Well.... i know what you're parents are like, im not gonna go into that, but look, it's your religion. Your relationship with God, thats a very personal thing. When i was "in" i never judged my relationship with Jehovah on how many meetings i turn up to.
HER: Most of the time im not even listening.
ME: Yeah i can relate to that.
HER: Can i trust you?
ME: You've been married to me for 7 years, when have i ever told anyone anything?
HER: I know it's not the truth.
ME: ... ok. Well..... that's good. What are you gonna do?
HER: I cant do anything.
ME: You can. You're not a child.
HER: But if i leave i'll lose everything. My family, my friends...
ME: I know. Look, this is why i didnt want to stay a JW. The very fact that you cant leave is bad. This is why i dont want <daughter> to grow up as one.
HER: I cant tell anyone. All my JW friends dont care about me or my situation... it's only my 2 worldly friends that really understand me and help me. <JW friend> doesnt want to know me unless i go out on the ministry every week.
ME: I'll tell you the truth. Me being disfellowshipped was the best thing that ever happened to me. The world is a wonderful place. You can do anything, be anything, people leave you alone, no one interferes with your life, and if there's people you dont get on with you just dont bother with them.
HER: But i cant just leave.
ME: So what do you want?
HER: Both. I want my family but i want to be free.
ME: Look at my situation. When i was DF'd i had no one. No mother, no sisters, no brothers, everyone i knew since birth suddenly gone. It's not nice. It's not easy. And when you leave you'll learn more and more about this religion and you'll get angry, then sad, then happy then repeat over and over. But being out is a lot better than being in.
HER: I'll just have to go along with it but when i move house gradually stop going. Or move congregation then stop going.
The conversation went on but the end point is she doesn't believe it and it's a shame she left me 4 months ago because of that because we could have still been together. But now i've moved on and i have a girlfriend. More proof that the religion destroys families.
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Kingdom Hall construction -- Counting time and reporting travel, meals, and lodging expenses
by FatFreek 2005 ini have two questions.
1. if you work on kingdom hall construction, are you allowed to count your time in lieu of field service?
an old thread here indicated that if you are pioneer, you can count your time.
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pale.emperor
My report slip was the biggest work of fiction since Lord Of The Rings. Local needs announcement about young ones not putting in the hours in the field service? Easy, i'll just put a 1 before my actual number of hours and hey presto im in good standing.