me whom they have pierced .
blood flowed from our saviors' side when he was pierced:.
"but one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out...for these things were done that the scripture should be fulfilled...and again another scripture says, 'they shall look on him whom they pierced.
Designs,
This is a presentation of what appears to be an Ironclad PROOF SCRIPTURE for the diety of Christ. My point is that in all my trinity discussions, I never had ANY Christian bring this to my attention while I was out in service. I wonder if anyone else did. That's all.
me whom they have pierced .
blood flowed from our saviors' side when he was pierced:.
"but one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out...for these things were done that the scripture should be fulfilled...and again another scripture says, 'they shall look on him whom they pierced.
And Zechariah too?
When I was a Regular Pioneer I really enjoyed going toe to toe with Christians. But, I never had this connection brought to my attention. Anybody else run up against this out witnessing? If so, how did you handle this as a good JW?
me whom they have pierced .
blood flowed from our saviors' side when he was pierced:.
"but one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out...for these things were done that the scripture should be fulfilled...and again another scripture says, 'they shall look on him whom they pierced.
Blood flowed from our Saviors' side when He was pierced:
"But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out...For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled...And again another Scripture says, 'They shall look on Him whom they pierced.'" (John 19:34-37).
And who is the One whom they pierced? The LORD!:
"The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:...'And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.'" (Zechariah 12:1-10).
The Lord Our God is One. Period. This is Pure Christianity straight from the Apostle John. Think about it. Was John lying?
the watchtower perposely keeps its leaders "cordoned off" for a reason.
the ones really in charge want to be invisible and have been in control since knorr's day, and still think like him.
the gb want like hell to be visible and powerful.
But I am genuinely curious as to who Randy is specifically referring to. I can imagine the Adams brothers for example but ...
Sorry....made me think of this. Now BTTT !
how do jws compare to the ancient churches of the first few centuries?
almost every jw claim's "organized preaching" is the mark of true christians, this is not backed by the bible.
how are jws like the first century through fourth century christians?.
How do JWs compare to the ancient churches of the first few centuries?
Let's Review:
Early Christians believed:
1. Military officers could be Christians (Corneilus) - FAIL
2. Believed they could pray to Jesus to save them (Ex: Stephen's prayer & Thief next to Jesus) - FAIL
3. ALL accepted the Blood Covenant as an offer for the forgiveness of personal sins (NOT JUST RULERSHIP POSITIONS, See Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.) - FAIL
4. Believed in a literal personal Judgment for each person'S SINS AFTER they died (Hebrews 9:27 - And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:) - FAIL Note: Hence the necessity for point 3
5. And most importantly: They believed that the gospel was fixed in stone and could not be changed without incurring the wrath of God (But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Gal. 1: 8) This is the diametric opposite of the "light gets brighter and brighter" JW doctrine) - FAIL
dna in dinosaur bones?
by brian thomas, m.s.
finding dinosaur dna is as unthinkable to an evolutionist as finding a flat earth would be to a geographer.
EP, I said "everyone". That means everyone, get it now?
hi, my time is drawing ever closer as i can no longer speak lies about the organization and all the past revisions and my sins i committed against everyone i judged while serving on judicial committees.
i lay awake at night with guilt because i ask jehovah and his son jesus christ to forgive me for being so judgemental, self assured and arrogant at certain times in my life.
i was not a prince of peace, at times i was a coward when i was first appointed because i wanted to keep all things peaceful with my peers, not with my heavenly father and saviour jesus christ.
So sorry to hear about your troubles Arbo. I can't advise you on what to do. I can tell you that I come from a large well entrenched JW family, faded and finally put full trust in Christ Alone. Cost me everything just like Jesus said it would.
I can tell you that I found Jesus is a man of his word when he said that those that left family for his sake would receive a hundred fold in this lifetime and endless life in the next. That is what happened to me.
dna in dinosaur bones?
by brian thomas, m.s.
finding dinosaur dna is as unthinkable to an evolutionist as finding a flat earth would be to a geographer.
Everyone filters information according to their worldview, it is impossible not to. That very examination necessarily requires an element of faith or belief in some foundational framework. Nothing wrong with that. Real science isn't right or wrong, it just is what it is; but it must be interpreted in order to be useful.
However, the faith needed for a traditional "millions of years" paradigm certainly seems to require more faith than a biblical worldview, based on this Dino DNA evidence.
FACT: DNA cannot survive for millions of years, Yet we have reports of Dino Dna from credible sources
FACT: Dino bones shouldn't smell like stinking, rotting cadavers after millions of years, but many do
FACT: Dino SOFT TISSUES found in porous limestone shouldn't exist after millions of years, but many dino soft tissues do exist
Additionally, this recent locking down of the upper age limits of DNA at less that 10,000yrs ~ certainly now provides a scientific basis for not rejecting the many reports of Carbon 14 dating of dinosaur soft tissue that yield results in the thousands, not million of years.
dna in dinosaur bones?
by brian thomas, m.s.
finding dinosaur dna is as unthinkable to an evolutionist as finding a flat earth would be to a geographer.
Sweet, I shall now return to the Wt. and spend my life studying their Creation Book.
Designs, you never left. WT buys the "millions of years" POV and they are also anti-christian. Your world-view doesn't seemed to have changed much.
Isn't anyone going to prop up the "millions of years" paradigm here and comment on these recent developments? Specifically:
How can we have soft tissue / DNA in pourous "65 Million" yr. old Limestone and a peer-revied study proving DNA can only last thousands of years?
Isn't there anyone that will defend the traditional evolutionary timeline here?
dna in dinosaur bones?
by brian thomas, m.s.
finding dinosaur dna is as unthinkable to an evolutionist as finding a flat earth would be to a geographer.
For a more complete record of my ignorance on this subject:
Many people have been following the unfolding dinosaur soft tissue story since it broke in 2005. The millions of years community (MOYC) fought tooth and nail to deny that original tissue was found in a TREX dinosaur.
In time, the reality of original dinosaur soft tissue, blood vessels etc. sank in and then all of the sudden it was amazing to everyone in the MOYC that this biological material could last for millions of years. The fact that broken dinosaur bones commonly smell like rotting corpses only increased the
astonisment that someting could rot for 65 milllllllion yeeeeeeeers..amazing.
Then came the ancient DNA discoveries:
DNA sequence from Cretaceous period bone fragments. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7973705
Amplification and sequencing of DNA from a 120-135-million-year-old weevil. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8505978
Then the MOYC decided en masse that it was simply amazing how DNA could last for millions of years.
My original post pointed out a very significant study that changes the emotional (as opposed to logical) landscape of the MOYC yet again. Here's the citation:
Allentoft, M. E. et al. 2012 The half-life of DNA in bone: measuring decay kinetics in 158 dated fossils. Proceedings of the Royal Society B. 279 (1748): 4224-4733.
This study of extinct Moa bird bones in New Zealand puts the half life of DNA at 500 ~ years, meaning that detectable DNA traces will disappear by 10,000 ~ years.
Now, this peer-reviewed study should cause thinking people to question the Millions of Years paradigm, and it does just that for many. But not for the hard core believers.
If you do a google search you'll find the MOYC are simply sad because it will not be possible to clone a dinosaur since it is now proven that dna degrades so quickly. They are sad that they wont get to play with dinos. Nevermind that this study destroys Evolution Theory, playing with cloned dinos ....that what this is all about right? ..... but I digress.
The real game changer for the MOYC is that they are now forced to scream CONTAMINATION for EVERY single positive ancient DNA sequencing test. It's the only stick they have left in which to beat those that question the traditional paradigm. But, carefully documented studies on Dinosaur DNA like the one described in my OP will increasingly make this "last-stand" argument less and less easy to prop up.
It's getting close to "Check Mate"
