Posts by Perry

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What Did Jesus Ask US To Preach About?

by Perry in

jw's repeat mt.

24:14 like a mantra.. but who was he speaking to, us gentiles in the church age?

no, he was speaking to the jews, god's covenant people.

Perry

Not sure that would be accurate the second part anyway, for the gentiles didnt know a thing about Christ and probably not much about the jewish religion and the laws.

That seems exactly why the messsge from the resurrected JC was simplified to A. There is a judgment after you die and B. Jesus is the one administering that judgment and of course C. You can have peace with God

It also explains a previous statement from Jesus: He that endures to the end will be saved. He was speaking to the end-time Jews. Christians are saved by grace through faith....not endurance.

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Are the doom day fanatics making prediction "Syria"

by jam in

isaiah 17;1 the burden against damascus syria.

"behold damascus will cease from being a city.

will be a ruinous heap".. maybe that's why my son-in-law jw said the end is so.

Perry

Perry;This question was ask to me, I know you are a believer and I I'm curious to what you think. Why is there so much turmoil in a place that is the birth of Christianity?

Are you talking about Israel as a nation or Jerusalem or Antioch where people were first called Christians? I have no idea. Not many christians in those areas now. One prophecy in Zechariah 12 keeps coming to my mind when I think about Israel though:

The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. In that day, saith the Lord, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness:

...In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them. And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

....And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

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Are the doom day fanatics making prediction "Syria"

by jam in

isaiah 17;1 the burden against damascus syria.

"behold damascus will cease from being a city.

will be a ruinous heap".. maybe that's why my son-in-law jw said the end is so.

Perry

It's been all over Christian prophecy circles on TV for years and years. Never seemed likely until recently.

We'll se.

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What Did Jesus Ask US To Preach About?

by Perry in

jw's repeat mt.

24:14 like a mantra.. but who was he speaking to, us gentiles in the church age?

no, he was speaking to the jews, god's covenant people.

Perry

I agree Crazy Guy, but what do you think of my general division of the two messages?

1. Kingdom message, generally for the literal Jews

2. Saved from judgment message, generally for everyone else

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What Did Jesus Ask US To Preach About?

by Perry in

jw's repeat mt.

24:14 like a mantra.. but who was he speaking to, us gentiles in the church age?

no, he was speaking to the jews, god's covenant people.

Perry

JW's repeat MT. 24:14 like a mantra.

But who was he speaking to, us Gentiles in the Church age? No, he was speaking to the Jews, God's covenant people. Mt. 24:14 applies to literal Jews during the Great Tribulation, AFTER the church age has ended.

Keep in mind that the OT prophets did not see the Church age. The 69th of the 70 weeks of Daniel's prophecy culminated with the appearance and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. God still owes the Jews one week, the 70th week, the Great Tribulation week. That's when the "Kingdom" message will really matter.

So, what was the message that us Gentile believers were supposed to be preaching? Did Jesus have a special message for us to deliver? He certainly did. Jesus died at the behest of the Jewish religious leaders he was sent to save. But, he didn't stay dead!

The resurrected Jesus Christ then turned his attention to the fledgling church and gave this command for us in Acts 10:

So Peter opened his mouth and said: ..... He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him....They put him to death by hanging him on a tree, 40 but God raised him on the third day and made him to appear, 41 not to all the people but to us who had been chosen by God as witnesses, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.

Q. Why aren't Jehovah's Witnesses declaring the good news that Jesus himself will judge the living and the dead?

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Dinosaur Soft Tissue, Blood, & DNA Catalog of Peer Reviewed Papers

by Perry in

the world's most comprehensive catalog of peer-reviewed journal papers documenting the existence of dinosaur soft tissue, blood cells and dna is here.

can't we all just agree to finally give a 150 year old theory a nice funeral?

there is no way this stuff lasts hundreds of millions of years!.

Perry

The world's most comprehensive catalog of peer-reviewed journal papers documenting the existence of dinosaur soft tissue, blood cells and DNA is Here

Can't we all just agree to finally give a 150 year old theory a nice funeral? There is NO WAY this stuff lasts hundreds of millions of years!

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Letter to BOE re: baptism of my minor children

by Michelle365 in

ok i posted about a month ago asking for advice on writing a letter to my former congregation regarding my children.

my ex husband still goes to our old hall and although we have joint custody he is raising them to be good little jws on his time.

i understand that in your organization age is not a determining factor in whether or not a person can get baptized, however as the young people ask book points out:

Perry

I would make it far simpler. I would ask that I be present when they explain to my children BEFORE they get baptized that Jesus is not, and never will be a Mediator between them and God, as a baptized Jehovah's Witnesss.

I would then challenge them to provide even ONE New Testament scripture that shows how a person can get their sins forgiven OUTSIDE of the New Covenant.

If they cannot produce even one scripture that shows how a person can get their sins forgiven OUTSIDE of the New Covenant, then I would tell them that they should be ashamed of themselves for holding themselves out to be bible teachers.

Fight fire with fire. JW's do not tell new members that Jesus is not their Mediator. You find this out WAY later....if ever at all.

If your teenage children want to join a religion that denies Jesus as their Mediator that stands between them and God's justice, then let them go ahead and do it. If they do not fear God's justice, they probably won't care too much about what your wishes are.

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Am I wasting my time?

by mrhhome in

jw
friends

i am the husband of an ex-jw.

she left when she was 18, because she was dating a non-jw.

they got married, and he began openly cheating on her.

Perry

Yes, I had that shunning scripture pointed out to me as well. Let's look at that shall we?

But I now have written unto you not to keep company with any man who is called a brother if he is a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner. With such a one you are not even to eat. 1 Cor. 5:11

When I get this scripture quoted to me I ask the person if they are also familiar with the 9th commandment: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Where is your evidence that I am any of those things? I then remind them of God's punishment for false accusers.

Deuteronomy 19 ... if the witness is a false witness, who has testified falsely against his brother, "then you shall do to him as he thought to have done to his brother; so you shall put away the evil from among you.

I then advise them to repent.

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Disfellowshiping: Why the Terror?

by Cold Steel in

the more i read about ritual shunning and disfellowshiping in the society, the more i wonder how the governing body and elders have pulled the proverbial wool over the eyes of the congregation.

first, the society doesnt consider itself a church (unlike the ancient christians, who did consider themselves to be part of a church).

yet, like other sectarians, they have their hands out for contributions and exercise immense power over their members.

Perry

It's a great environment for those who are afraid of experiencing love, since it makes a mockery of familial love, turning it into a travesty.

Adamah,

You make a great point here as well. It is no secret (to me at least) that certain personality types are attracted to the WT more than others.

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Is the Bible really out of date?

by jam in

jw
friends

an interesting read the emporia gazette: www.emporiagazzette.com.

the israelities needed moral codes, civil codes and holiness codes.. when the jews were getting ready to go to the promise land, god.

had to prepare them to become a nation.

Perry

I now find the concept of vicarious punishment to be repulsive.

There is a prolific poster on here named Terry. He went to prison for avoiding the draft (and alternative service) at the behest of Watchtower policy.

He wrote one time that his dear mother asked the FBI agents (or some such authority) if she could somehow serve his sentence for him because he was so young. It was a natural desire for someone with a strong enough love bond.

The idea of substitutionary atonement is ETCHED or hardwired into our consciousness. It is the basis for many of our greatest literary stories. And, it is as simple as a mother wishing to take the punishment due her son for herself......which is exactly what God did.

In the classic book and movie Last of the Mohicans, the theme of substitution is illustrated to the fullest. In the below clip, the Indian Cheif had just declared that the brunette daughter of the British general would die to avenge the loss of Magua's children. Then, Daniel Day Lewis tellls the chief in English that he would offer himself to die in her place.

However, the british officer had to translate the request into french to the French-allied chief. In that translation, he did not do it correctly. Instead, he offered himself to die in her place. Both men loved her. The chief agreed to the exchange.

When they took the british officer to be killed, Daniel Day Lewis understands what the british officer had done, and starts screaming "Take Me, Take Me". This is where the clip begins:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tiKM4fxY1U

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.- Jn 15: 13