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  What is the OBJECT of Faith For a Christian? (precisely)

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
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  of course we were all shamed for not having enough faith in god's spirit directed organization, the elder arrangement, the f&ds ....blah, blah, blah.. but what else is there?

  .....another organization, faith in jehovah, faith in jesus, faith in the bible?

  what precisely is the primary object of faith for a christian?.

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  Perry

  Yes, a person. Jesus' blood is part of his personage. There is no conflict there. The scripture citation above just narrows down exactly what about that person is the object of faith for a Christian. You can't say you accept Jesus but not his blood covenant and expect your condition to change. This is where the WT goes too far South and promotes self-liberation by their "growing to perfection" doctrine.

  About Human Sacrifice:

  Every man and woman who has ever lived has been a victim of human sacrice. Man is incapable of self-liberation by any means. "The wages of sin is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord". (NWT) Christ's blood pays this debt vicariously, if we accept it.

  God puts an end to Human Sacrifice. We were created for His enjoyment, his pleasure, his family, his love and his Life to be within us, as it is within him.
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  What is the OBJECT of Faith For a Christian? (precisely)

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  of course we were all shamed for not having enough faith in god's spirit directed organization, the elder arrangement, the f&ds ....blah, blah, blah.. but what else is there?

  .....another organization, faith in jehovah, faith in jesus, faith in the bible?

  what precisely is the primary object of faith for a christian?.

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  Perry

  Of course we were all shamed for not having enough faith in God's spirit directed organization, the elder arrangement, the F&DS ....Blah, Blah, Blah.

  But what else is there? .....Another organization, Faith in Jehovah, Faith in Jesus, Faith in the Bible? What precisely is the PRIMARY Object of Faith for a Christian?

  BLOOD - that is the object of faith for a biblical, historical, first century kind of Christian.....that's it.

  "God presented him as an offering for propitiation through faith in his blood..... forgiving the sins that occurred in the past" - Romans 3: 25 (NWT)

  If a person believes that Jesus' Blood Covenant will make him White like snow before a righteous and Holy God who expects the same, then it will. If he don't, it won't. If someone claims to put faith in that blood, then he won't let anyone talk him out of being obedient to Jesus when he said:

  And taking a cup, he offered thanks and gave it to them, saying: “Drink out of it, all of you, for this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins. Mt 26: 27 (NWT)

  And, he won't try to add anything to it either..... like faith in a particular church or organization as an additional requirement. "It is finished" , says Jesus.

  You can't have it Both Ways Mr. Anonymous Watchtower writer!

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aGJwAENQuk
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  New here and having ah ha moments!

  by Angus Beef in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what made you realize it was time to go?

  i've been having health problems for the last few years and instead of any help, i'm listed as spiritually weak and of course associations is only my kids and husband.

  all the good jw's have moved to other congregations and are doing well.

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  Perry

  That's how it got for me. Going to the KH just became mentally and emotionally exhausting. With all the clicks and good 'ole boy connections, it was simply too hostile of an environment for me to personally function within.
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  Need help to do a "talk"!

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  2. friends

  the talk is called "the right religion demonstrates true faith in christ".

  i have to help my fading gf give the talk.

  if you have any subtle "apostate" ideas, i would appreciate them.. here is what i would like to say:.

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  Perry

  How about this:

  You: I'm glad you asked this question K. Let's turn to Matther Chaper 26 vs, 27 for the answer:

  And taking a cup, he offered thanks and gave it to them, saying: “Drink out of it, all of you, for this means my ‘blood of the covenant, which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins.

  Jehovah's Witnesses show their support for Jesus by reading this scripture each Memorial. It clearly shows how that our forgiveness of sins is inextricably linked to membership in the New Covanant. The Watchtower teaches that the eight man governing body leading our organization have their sins forgiven by their membership in the New Covenant.

  Her: Wow. That is so loving! But how can I personally benefit?

  You: Well, we as rank and file members receive benefits and are given the priviledge of working for our salvation under their blessed direction. We have hope that one day we will be declared righteous if we remain in good standing with the elders.

  Her: Where is that in the bible?

  You: Well, I can see that our time is just about up. I think you can see that JW's really do believe in Jesus after all. We will pick this up again next week when we discuss what happens to those who end up at the Great White Throne Judgment without a Mediator. Whew!...Seems to be getting a little hot in here. See you next week!
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  OMBG! Waves of bloody nostalgia are sweeping over me!

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my gay xjw friend sent me a link to a site (must be an unofficial jw site) with so many do and co talks - f*** me dead!

  its like hearing the dead talk.

  anyway, my friend somehow had found out that one of his (years ago) bible studies was featured on it.

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  Perry

  There are kids on this site. Please clean up the rhetoric.
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  Do You Dine out? If so do you return unsatisfactory food?

  by KateWild in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  i was chatting today in the sauna, as one does if you don't go to meetings about dining out.

  one pleasant fellow said he would never return food, he explained it was because he is convinced the staff would do something to the food.. do you agree?.

  kate xx.

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  Perry

  Yes and Yes. Last Sunday at IHOP they brought me lukewarm potatoe soup with a glob of sourcream in the middle. I sent it back and asked for simple french fries instead. They brought me lukewarm french fries instead.

  The Philly Cheesesteak was nearly rancid and had a hard perimeter around the meat. We stopped at the grocery store on the way home and picked up some buttermilk to try and get the taste out and to try and stop the burping.

  Try Buttermilk if you have a bad dining experience. It really does work. The 1% works just as good btw.
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  Ive got the Christmas spirit--its killing me

  by DS211 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  tonight we watched home alone 2, last nghr we watched home alone...i hear the christmas music and i have started to....feel again.

  its hard to describe this feeling...its overjoyed, peaceful, hopeful, at the beauty ive missed around this time.

  and at the same time it kills me because my children dont know it...its just another day, no special time, no holidays...my daughter asked me the other night if she could have a birthday.

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  Perry

  Like HOW MANY feasts and special days did ancient ISRAEL have? Bunches.

  Traditions are cool and add much spice to drearydom.
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  Why Evolution Is True--something that scares me

  by DS211 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so im reading "why evokution is true" by coyne and the page im on is talking about darwin and natural selection:.

  "but natural selection was also the part of evolutionary theory con- sidered most revolutionary in darwins time, and it is still unsettling to many.

  selection is both revolutionary and disturbing for the same reason: it explains apparent design in nature by a purely materialistic process that doesnt require creation or guidance by supernatural forces.

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  The bible predicted the UNIFORMITARIANISM in later times ... the foudation of evolution.

  "There shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, 'Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of... the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished" (2 Pet. 3:3-6).

  It's hard for me not to quote Mark Twian here:

  ("Life on the Mississippi," chap. 17): "Now, if I wanted to be one of those ponderous scientific people, and 'let on' to prove what had occurred in the remote past by what had occurred in a given time in the recent past... In the space of 176 years the Lower Mississippi has shortened itself 242 miles. That is an average of a trifle over 1 1/3 miles per year. Therefore, any calm person, who is not blind or idiotic, can see that in the Old Oolitic Silurian Period, just a million years ago next November, the Lower Mississippi River was upwards of 1,300,000 miles long... There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact."

  But seriously there are mountains of evidence to blast holes through the standard evolutionary naturalistic worldview paradign.

  Get right with God through the blood of Jesus and he'll take you places and show your things you NEVER DREAMED of. He did it for me.
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  My brother died yesterday

  by satinka in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  "albert" was 55 years old, and the fifth-born of seven children.

  i am the second oldest and babysat him often while he was growing up --- and while i was still at home.. yesterday, albert was out taking his usual morning stroll around his small town, when he collapsed on the sidewalk.

  the doctors said it was a heart attack.

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  Perry

  That is terrible. So sorry for your loss. This life is wayyyy too short.

  Praying for you.
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  Acts 20:28

  by never a jw in

  1. social
  2. humour

  acts 20:28 nwt.

  pay attention to yourselves+ and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers,+ to shepherd the congregation of god,+ which he purchased with the blood of his own son.

  king james and other translations.

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  Perry

  Here's another WHOPPER:

  Hebrews 1:8 (See Ps. 45:6)

  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever

  But of the Son He says, YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER

  But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever

  But with reference to the Son: “God is your throne forever (Even the passage in Psalms was perverted to support this one!)