Posts by Perry

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A Clean Slate When You Die ??

by Perry in

for the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.

- romans 6:7 (nwt).

i got a chance to witness to my dad scripture for scripture for one whole hour over the holidays.

Perry

If there is no personal Judgment after you die, then Jesus' sacrifice is meaningless.

The WT seeks to destroy this truth several ways:

1. Your soul is not conscious of anything after you die - even though Rev. 6: 9 reads otherwise:

When he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness they had given. They shouted with a loud voice, saying: “Until when, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, are you refraining from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth? - NWT

2. You get a clean slate just by dying (Opening Post Subject)

3. Jesus didn't die for you personally; He died for Adam - This is in spite of WHO the bible says Christ died for:

The one who did not know sin, he made to be sin for us [Not Adam], so that by means of him we might become God’s righteousness. 2Cor. 5 (NWT)

4. They teach that we are living in Judgment Day Now - This in spite of the fact that the Bible says you get judged AFTER you die:

"it is reserved for men to die once for all time, but after this to receive a judgment" - Hebrews 9: 27 (NWT)

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A Clean Slate When You Die ??

by Perry in

for the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.

- romans 6:7 (nwt).

i got a chance to witness to my dad scripture for scripture for one whole hour over the holidays.

Perry

Thank You designs.

Yes, it is nice to experience the freedom to discover historic Christianity free from the pesecution ot the Watchtower.

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A Clean Slate When You Die ??

by Perry in

for the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.

- romans 6:7 (nwt).

i got a chance to witness to my dad scripture for scripture for one whole hour over the holidays.

Perry

Thanks Searcher. 1982 was the most recent example you posted. I wonder if they've beat that drum since then?

The context makes it hard to believe that anyone woud except that teaching.

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SO you turned your back on God

by maccauk11 in

ok so you had a bad experience and you stopped going to church which ever one that is.

but did you stop believing or are you that peeved you blame god etc.

i would encourage you to humble yourself before your messiah and seek him, he will let himself be found by you and come dwells within you.

Perry

I sought God through the methods of the Watchtower strenously for 8 years. It didn't work. I didn't get mastery over the things that the first century Christians did. I didn't experience a "new life in Christ". It was all about will-power and I was exhausted. It was very easy to become agnostic afterwards. I guess it was hard for me to swallow that all my efforts at pleasing God were rejected by him.

It was not a natural next step for me to put my trust in Christ Alone. Yet, I eventually did it anyway basically because nothing else was working. If a person seeks him (Jesus); he will be found to be very much alive.

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Am I a Christian anymore??

by quellycatface in

there's quite a lot on tv just now about jesus.

i'm not sure anymore....was he the son of god, or just generally a good person?.

i'm not atheist or agnostic but i just want something real and true..

Perry

If you makes friends with God, through the blood covenant (and no other way) he will find YOU. You can count on it!

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A Clean Slate When You Die ??

by Perry in

for the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.

- romans 6:7 (nwt).

i got a chance to witness to my dad scripture for scripture for one whole hour over the holidays.

Perry

For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin. - Romans 6:7 (NWT)

I got a chance to witness to my dad scripture for scripture for one whole hour over the holidays. He was hung up on the above scripture. Of course the verse right before it shows it is a spiritual death:

For we know that our old personality was nailed to the stake along with him in order for our sinful body to be made powerless, so that we should no longer go on being slaves to sin. - Romans 6:6 (NWT)

Numerous other scriptures in Romans 6 & 7 and elsewhere show that the death here is a spiritual requirement and not a iteral one. ie. dying to oneself.

Even though this scripture is often repeated among JW's verbally to support the heretical position of receiving a "clean slate" when a person dies, I don't recall it being an official WT doctrine.

Has anyone seen this false doctrine in print anywhere by the WT ?

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Scientists Find One Source of Prayers Power

by alecholmesthedetective in

this is an interesting article from scientific american about a study on how prayer helps increase one's self-control through social connection.

this adds to previous research on the subject.

it's a short article and a worth read.. .

Perry

It's a shame they didn't find "THE" source. It is available to "whosoever".

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Questions on Evolution and the Existence of God and...

by ILoveTTATT in

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i know this is one huge rant, but i want to put my own questions and doubts in writing.. i am a fading jw who has become agnostic... i still believe in "god" and "jesus," but i simply cannot explain to people why i believe in them.

i just do.. about the existence of god: it is an infinite regress.

"all things were created by someone"... well... who created god?

Perry

Has actual evolution, i.e. the changes accumulating sufficiently to make ANOTHER species, been observed? If so, where? I would think that the smaller the species/the faster time to reproduce, the better chances to actually observe this.

I'd like to 2nd that question.

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A story about Reggie and Reginald... and why it makes me cringe... more vomiting

by confusedandalone in

so i grew up in new jersey in a very urban part of the state.

i literally only saw white folks if they were in a police car or if i went to the assembly.

the funny thing is at the assembly there was still a level of segregation as well although it was self-imposed.

Perry

Every situation is different for sure. I wasn't there. But I have seen the devastating ill efffects of being too sensitive. When people "dish it out" they expect to get it back in return. It's just a game most of the time. If you get all huffy.... it makes you appear like a spoiled brat without a sense of humor. Of course there are limits.

One friend's son I know was a young skinny white man. He was working side by side with a seasoned older Mexican man who was constantly asking him when he was going to start working....... no matter how hard the kid worked. It wasn't personal. But, the skinny white dude felt that he was being disrespected for being a skinny white dude & not as strong and as used to manual labor as the other guy. He quit his job over it. No sense of humor.

A few days later I had this same young man up on a roof unloading some materials and we both overheard the materials company labor giving another skinny white kid a hard time. They kept asking him when he was going to start working. Instead of taking it personal, he dished it right back. Later, I asked the mouthy Mexican guy about the skinny white kid and he assured me he was just joking. He said that the "kid" was the best manager they ever had and that he was very highly educated and was making the company a lot of money.... which increased job security for everyone. The mouthing was just a game to pass the time, no big deal. It was his boss!

Later, I looked at my friends' son and told him I thought he quit his job over nothing.... just being too sensitive and not having a sense of humor. He agreed after he saw nearly the exact same thing, but handled differently.

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A story about Reggie and Reginald... and why it makes me cringe... more vomiting

by confusedandalone in

so i grew up in new jersey in a very urban part of the state.

i literally only saw white folks if they were in a police car or if i went to the assembly.

the funny thing is at the assembly there was still a level of segregation as well although it was self-imposed.

Perry

Don't be so sensitive. When I attended a mostly black congregation, I got to hear stuff like "whitey" get thrown around.... and cliches like "white don't make you right". It was in good fun among the younger ones, almost like they wanted to cut me in on some joking that they enjoyed amongst themselves on a limited basis. I wasn't offended, it made me feel rather excepted. At least that was the way it seemed to be presented.

At the time, I had never heard some of those terms and phrases; and in truth they were rather comical. Young people are pretty silly by nature.

Just some food for thought.