There is death after death, but you are still conscious.
Posts by Perry
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62Is There Life After Death
by Brokeback Watchtower ini think this is a well developed discussion, of ian stevenson's work in investigating people's past lives claims.
it's a little long.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0attm9hgcdw.
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new JW Online Bible Study Lessons
by neat blue dog inhas anybody seen the new online bible study yet, just posted yesterday i believe?
it's the first thing you see now when going to the home page.
the online bible study lessons on jw.org are free, have no obligation, and are easy to use.
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Perry
Hopefully, they are preparing for the time they will announce a complete liquidation, sell all the properties and grab as much cash as possible.
This way they can close the doors, keep all the money while saving face.
Slowly people will realize they have been duped.
thats the way I see it
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Why a Belief or Non Belief in the existence of "A God" or "The God" is Futile {In My Opinion}
by smiddy3 inbecause their are so many different god`s worshiped in the world today and none of them have made themselves known to us in this 21st century for all of mankind to see and verify .. all of the gods worshiped today are from hundreds and even thousands of years ago derived from ancient writings and texts in languages that are no longer in use today.. that of course brings up problems of another sort translating an ancient language into its modern day equivalent.. and nobody is in total agreement that such translations are accurate or correct anyway.. and their is no god coming to the rescue of translators to say which is the right interpretation.
they are mute.. i`m not just talking about christianity/ judaism either, the same goes for all non christian religions too.. its a total cop out to say one must have faith to believe in god .
"faith, belief in religious doctrines divine truth without proof" and no verification from any god christian/islam/judaism or otherwise ..
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Perry
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life - 1 John 5
Belief in God is related to the subject to unending life, because God is the First Cause, has life within himself and freely gives unending life to his children. I personally have such a knowing not only of God, but of my eternal security in him....all born again Christians have this. And I agree, that it must be a bit unnerving to unbelievers.
Materialists are required to deny that anything can be known except through that which is collected through the 5 senses. Here's three non religious examples of revelation.“In a dream I saw a table where all the elements fell into place as required. Awakening, I immediately wrote it down on a piece of paper.” - DMITRI MENDELEEV, 1834 TO 1907 - Chemist who wrote the Periodic Table.“While asleep, I had an unusual experience. There was a red screen formed by flowing blood, as it were. I was observing it. Suddenly a hand began to write on the screen. I became all attention. That hand wrote a number of elliptic integrals. They stuck to my mind. As soon as I woke up, I committed them to writing.”SRINIVASA RAMANUJAN, 1887 TO 1920Mathematician who produced almost 4,000 proofs, identities, conjectures and equations in pure mathematics. Although he died in 1920, the richness of his ideas and conjectures in fields such as Elliptic Functions and Number Theory – nearly all of which were correct – were ahead of his time, and continue to inspire and direct research carried out by mathematicians today.In 1903 Otto Loewi had the thought that nerve signals were possibly transmitted using chemical instructions. He could not think of how he could prove his new idea.In 1920 Loewi had a dream about the problem. He woke excitedly during the night and scribbled notes about the dream.
In the morning, he could not remember the dream, and he could not read his nocturnal notes either!
The following night, he dreamed about the problem again. The dream was about an experiment he could use to prove his idea, and this time he remembered it.
He carried out research based on his dream and published the work in 1921, establishing that signalling across synapses was indeed chemical, as he had suspected.
The father of neuroscience, in 1936 was awarded the Nobel Prize in Medicine for work that came to him in a dream!
A revelation is proved true or not if the thing predicted comes true. Saving faith in Jesus Christ produces peace, and a number of other things promised in the NT. I have personally experienced this over the past 15 years or so. I have seen the same results in the half dozen or so other people I have led to Christ as well.
God is real, and can be known on a personal level ..... through "revelation". -
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JW's, Mormons, & Scientology don't play fair. They are deceptive. They don't tell you everything before you join...then later when you find out something like: Jesus not being your Mediator (for the JW's) .... bada bing! You lose your whole family.
Destroyed families are bad business for governments when they are left to clean up the mess and pay the bills, i.e. medical, drug and alcohol dependency, prison, lack of productivity etc.
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Download Raymond Franz PDF Books Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom
by Tenacious infor those who've never read these incredible books by our friend ray franz.. here are links for both.
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happy reading!.
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Perry
Watchman Fellowship - the oldest Wachtower ministry outreach has had them for 4 months now. $29.99
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new JW Online Bible Study Lessons
by neat blue dog inhas anybody seen the new online bible study yet, just posted yesterday i believe?
it's the first thing you see now when going to the home page.
the online bible study lessons on jw.org are free, have no obligation, and are easy to use.
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Perry
They have always targeted the simpletons among us.
Proverbs 14:15
The simpleton believes every word he hears, but the prudent man looks and considers well where he is going.
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Tonight’s meeting
by lastmanstanding inthis post is for the lurking dub.
the pimc (physically in, mentally confused) lurker dub.
the guy who reads the watchtower stuff and scratches his head, sure something is amiss but not sure of what’s really happening.. it may also be of some interest to those curious of the nuts and bolts of watchtower’s methods of scripture twisting.. in tonight’s “digging for spiritual gems: (8 min.
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Perry
because the Christian congregation had not yet been formed.
The WT has never been able to get it through their self-inflated egos that Jesus Christ doesn't need them. They have done everything they possibly can to muscle in on the authority of the King of Kings to "help" run his business.
The reality is that hundreds of thousands of locally run churches and ministries operate just fine using only the bible (and especially the NT) as their ONLY authority. -
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Fewer Americans believe in GOD, yet they still believe in the afterlife.
by James Mixon inexcuse me, don't make sense to me.
what say you...
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Perry
Interesting discussion. Googling "terminal lucidity" and reading about the cases that hospice care workers relate makes for some very interesting reading. Pretty compelling when people with virtually no brain left start talking lucidly shortly before they die.
Scripture says we were made in the image of God - a tri-partite being.And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. - 1 Th. 5
From my studies from a historical Christian point of view. I think the bible supports the following view:
1. The spirit is the ethereal immaterial part of Man that was designed to connect to God and to perceive, fellowship, enjoy, and love him. "God is a Spirit"
2. The soul is the mind. It is your basest essence. Your consciousness.
3. The body is the physical animal. It is the data processor and machine for the physical realm.
In popular usage, we usually hear the parts listed as body, soul & spirit, since this is the order most people experience them.... the body in the lead position, followed by your soul (consciousness & will) followed by your spirit. Quite literally most people just follow their bodies around much of the time. ie."He's such an animal"However, scripture lists them in reverse order, (on purpose I think) with the spirit of man in the lead position followed by your mind (soul) with the impulses and desires of the body in the last position.
James, if you live by a materialist world-view, then evidence contrary to that narrow worldview will be confusing. Few people limit themselves to such a strict worldview.I had an interesting discussion with a prolific poster from Mexico many years ago on this forum. He was big into spiritism and said he regularly communicated with spirits through occultic means.. I told him that i was confused about how he could be an atheist and talk to spirits. He immediately replied that he believed the spirits were eternal, like the universe.
This was the basic tenet of the pre-flood religion that was wiped out in Noah's Day. The creation (including the spirits) were accepted as the manifestation and cause of everything. I think that people are little by little returning to a view where there is no God (to speak of anyway) but at the same time open to non-physical entities.
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Brave Doctor Saves the Life of a JW Infant
by Lee Elder inhow a brave intern saved the life of a jehovah's witness infant by ignoring the wishes of the parents and administering a life saving blood transfusion.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdf9j2wpj14&feature=youtu.be.
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Perry
This 20 year old wasn't supposed to be alive.
But she IS. She is because someone said I want to save this baby's life no matter what!!!!!That is awesome news! I look forward to the day when all babies will have a right to live. Here's another lady who wasn't supposed to be alive either.
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John 3:16 "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten Son" ...Really ?
by smiddy3 infor four thousand years god never gave two hoots about the world of mankind that is suggested by john 3;16 and how do we know that ?
simply by looking at his dealings with mankind for the first 4000 years of his dealings with humans as shown by the "old testament".
1. god only dealt with a couple or a few individuals early on in the o.t.. 2.god only dealt with one family line whom he chose above anybody else .. 3.this family line the israelites became a nation whom god dealt with exclusively.. 4.to the exclusion of every other peoples on earth ,he favoured who became the israelites and he obviously had a hatred for any other people and was instrumental in trying to get the israelites to commit genocide on many occasions against these people who god had never taken an interest in .. 5.jehovah god on numerous occasions instructed the israelite`s/jews wipe out the amorite`s , the hittites ,the jebusite`s ,etc ,etc, and with the blessing of him not to feel sorry for them kill old man woman and child and do not feel sorry for them.. jehovah god actually gave the israelites /jews sanctions to commit genocide amongst these nations in the "old testament ".
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Perry
God seemed to have had a mostly hands off policy unless he felt that someone or some group interfered with his plan of salvation and eventual reconciliation of everything to himself.
The bible makes it clear that any outside of a covenant (peace agreement) relationship with God are his enemies. After the Fall, man only wanted small gods, not the Infinite Creator. To actually want God, we must return to a child-like nature. We must be born again.
John 3:16 makes this possible to "whosoever" anytime, anywhere, any people group.... everyone.
In 1903 Otto Loewi had the thought that nerve signals were possibly transmitted using chemical instructions. He could not think of how he could prove his new idea.