Posts by Perry

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what was the reason for canceling the book study in private homes

by reds in

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Perry

Probably just making it easier on people with busy lifestyles. If you have young school-kids, two weeknights out is pretty much an impossibility.

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One Lord - One Savior : Get Used To It

by Perry in

jehovah in the old testament and jesus in the new testament are one and the same.. .

3. jehovah is salvation.

5. jehovah wants only himself to be worshipped.

Perry

Jehovah in the Old Testament and Jesus in the New Testament are one and the same.

1. Jehovah is the only saviour

OT - Isaiah 43:11 ~ I, even I, am the LORD [Jehovah]; and beside me there is no saviour.

Jesus is the Savior

NT - 2 Peter 3:18 ~ But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory ... for ever.
NT - 1 John 4:14 ~ And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

2. Jehovah is the only God and Saviour

OT - Isaiah 45:21 ~ there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Jesus is both God and Saviour

NT - 1 Timothy 2:3 -5 ~ For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour ... the man Christ Jesus.
NT - 2 Timothy 1:10 ~ But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ

3. Jehovah is Salvation

OT - Isaiah 12:2 ~ Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is ... my salvation.

Jesus is Salvation

NT - Acts 4:10 -12 ~ by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified ... Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
NT - John 4:42 ~ And said unto the woman, ... this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

4. Jehovah's Glory is Exclusive

OT - Isaiah 42:8 ~ I am [Jehovah]: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Jesus is the Lord of Glory

NT - 1 Corinthians 2:8 ~ for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
NT - Hebrews 1:6 ~ And again, ... he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

5. Jehovah wants only himself to be worshipped

OT - Exodus 34:14 ~ For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

Jesus is worshipped

NT - John 9: 38 ~ And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
NT - Acts 7:59 ~ And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. (Stephen prayed to Jesus)
NT - 1 Tim. 3: 16 - ~ And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh

Mystery Solved.

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Have you ever looked at the Bible from a SPIRITUAL viewpoint?

by Fernando in

by finding and understanding the full or unabridged gospel message it contains.. (especially according to paul, moses, isaiah and psalms)..

Perry

Spiritual, if you mean literal ... yes. Spiritualizing scripture got me in a lot of trouble as a JW

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You Don't Have to Be Italian to Laugh at This

by Perry in

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http://www.youtube.com/v/ouoczooxgv8 .

Perry

My Italian cousin sent that to me and told me it was in Italian. I don't really know. Oh well. She doesn't speak it I don't think.

Maybe Sicilian? My other relatives have told me that Sicilian is different.

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Need some advice

by craigulous in

to all my new friends, i need some advice.

as i posted in my original post i am not disfellowshipped, i just did a fade as i believe everyone here calls it.

i have great parents who are still part of the organization, and do not pressure me, but at the same time i must live a lie, and they have no problem with me living a lie, as long as they are comfortable.

Perry

I actually agree with her, but I am not sure that I can go through with it and lose my parents.

These are real tough choices, no doubt about it. Jesus as God didn't minimize the difficulty, but addressed it openly.

"Marvel not at this: for He that loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."

Later Jesus said: "And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life."

Having been where you are, and taken the route of confrontation - I can say that Jesus doesn't disappoint. If you do this without Jesus though, there isn't enough upside to go through with it in my opinion.

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Are religionists and atheists on the same team?

by Fernando in

do they both lead people away from god?.

Perry

I don't really think so. But neither one can see God.

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Are religionists and atheists on the same team?

by Fernando in

do they both lead people away from god?.

Perry

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John 5: 28 & 29 - All Means ALL

by Perry in

the unsaved dead die and sleep like babies for ever and ever - that's what we were told.

only problem is; its a lie from hell.. "the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.".

the mind is an amazing thing.

Perry

The unsaved dead die and sleep like babies for ever and ever - That's what we were told. Only problem is; its a lie from Hell.

"the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

The mind is an amazing thing. I read this a thousand times as a JW and just continued to believe otherwise. It's almost as if the mind is predisposed to believe the opposite of what God says.

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Just How Secure Is God's Covenant?

by Perry in

when i was a young boy, i had a dog named foxie.

suffice it to say that we were so close that our spirits were one.

it seemed that we could almost communicate telepathically.

Perry

Hey I saw that movie too.

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Other Sheep & New Covenant WT Scams

by Perry in

Perry

Ann ... point understood that you are trying to make.

Notwithstanding, the noun for "Covenant" isn't there in that scripture. Jesus didn't use that word in this instance even though he had just previouosly used in when describing THE New Covenant (Testament) just nine verses earlier:

20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Strongs 1242.
diatheke, dee-ath-ay'-kay; from 1303; properly, a disposition, i.e. (specially) a contract (especially a devisory will):--covenant, testament.

The context is critical here: The disciples were concerned about what they were going to get out of this, they wondered who was greatest. They had paid a heavy price in being disfellowshipped from much of their families and now Jesus was going away. They were a little rattled.

So, like a good sheperd he comforted them by reminding them that they would be given a kingdom just as he had been given one and that they would all be together again.

"Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations. And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; That ye may eat and drink at my table"

1303.
diatithemai, dee-at-ith'-em-ahee; middle voice from 1223 and 5087; to put apart, i.e. (figuratively) dispose (by assignment, compact, or bequest):--appoint, make, testator.

Jesus gives, assigns, or appoints a kingdom to his followers. Even if a person allowed for the clumsy "make a covenant" rendering, there is not two covenants here. There is only one for the forgiveness of sins at that dinner table.

Mt. 26: 27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Clearly Fred Franz used this occasion to use the exact same English word for a different Greek word for the sole purpose of obscuring just exacly what THE New Covenant was.

He acheived his purpose. Millions of people now reject their only hope of passing judgement because they were LIED to about what is the New Covenant. When people are lied to they will do anything. The Japanese would have never surrendered in WWII because they were LIED TO and told that the Americans were cannibals and would eat them and their families.

Furthermore, that clumsy translation in the NWT and the subsequent theology built upon it are lies straight from the pits of Hell.