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  Gave my first hour talk sunday before last

  by Perry in

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  i started going door to door at age 5 and was giving no.

  2 talks by age 7. during the 8 years i was an active adult jw i was never a ms or elder (although i was a regular pioneer once).

  so, i never qualified to give an hour talk.

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  Perry

  Briefly, the approach is this:

  The Watchtower has everyone believing they are living in Judgment Day NOW, and that the judgment revolves around how active they are with the Watchtower, ie. meeting attendance, field service etc.

  However, Hebrews 9:27 destroys this myth by clearly saying that judgment occurs AFTER a person dies.

  The second myth that the Watchtower teaches is that the New Covenant (also called the blood covenant) is ONLY for government positions, (limited to 144K)

  Matthew 2: 27 , 28 destroys this myth by clearly stating that the New Covenant is "for the forgiveness of sins". 

  So, once the JW at your door admits to you that they are not personally part of the new covenant (they will initially claim that they are until you question them about their involvement in the Lord's Supper), you can simply read these two scriptures from their own bible and the problem immediately becomes apparent. 

  If the NC is for forgiveness of sins and they are not part of the New Covenant, how do they get their sins forgiven?

  If handled with love and concern, you'll get the deer in the headlights look every time. 

  
  

  
  

  
  
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  Are we heading for III World War?

  by abiather in

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  the leaders of russia, germany, france and ukraine are slated to meet in minsk (the belarusian capital) tomorrow to discuss a ukrainian peace plan!

  some countries such as hollande believe there is going to be a total war.

  when they met last year in the same place, they had put forward a peace plan (a ceasefire, withdrawal of artillery, prisoner exchanges and other concessions) that were never fully implemented!

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  It wont end there, but it will be devastating:

  the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. By these three was the third part of men killed - Rev. 9;18

  The death of 1/3 of humans is just sort of Act I as opposed to WW III. I suspect this event will usher in the rule of someone who will come to be known as the Anti-Christ. Then real evil begins.  King Jesus will defeat the Antichrist when Israel invites him back:

  
  

  “For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.” (Matthew 23:39)
  
  
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  1911 new article about Russell.

  by Bangalore in

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  http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=22&dat=19111009&id=lifmaaaaibaj&sjid=pyodaaaaibaj&pg=3715,1775404.

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  ....permitted to have a resurrection of the dead and the opportunity of restitution and to approve themselves to God for everlasting life

  
  

  I found the above excerpt  from the 1911 article interesting because it shows that Russell was a heretic teaching a works based salvation way back then. 

  Jesus offers offers renewal and rest through the rebirth, not more works for salvation. 

  Hebbrews 4: 10 - For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

  
  

  Thanks.
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  The Gentile Times ended

  by opusdei1972 in

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  they will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations.

  jerusalem will be trampled on by the gentiles until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.

  (luke 21:24)this is vaticinium ex eventu.

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  the nation does not believe in Jesus as the Messiah

  True. But they will one day. 

  So, we should recognize that the Gentile Times, as defined in Luke 21,   practically ended in 1948

  I would say that Jerusalem is still being "stepped on" disrespectfully by Gentiles. -  "Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."

  Moslems run the temple mount. A temple to a false God is on the temple mount now.

  
  
  

  it practically proves that the author wrote this Gospel after 70 AD.

  Where is the 1st and 2nd century historical outcry charging that this was written after the fact?

  
  

  
  

  Revelation 11:1-2 explains when the times of the Gentiles will come to an end:

  And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
  

  Remember, Jerusalem will be trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. This passage tells us that the Gentiles will tread the holy city under foot for forty-two Jerusalem months. Forty-two months here refers to the (2nd half of the final week in Daniels 70 week prophecy) three and one half year period known as the great tribulation, which immediately precedes the battle of Armageddon.
  

  
  

  In Revelation 13:5, we are told that power was given to the beast (the Antichrist) to continue forty two months. This is the same forty two months that will conclude the times of the Gentiles.

  
  

  
  
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  10 reasons you should never have a religion

  by darth frosty in

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  10 reasons you should never have a religion.

  by steven bancarzjanuary 4, 2015self discovery, spirituality.

  written by steve pavlina on his site www.stevepavlina.com |.

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  “Religion is the belief in someone else’s experience.  Spirituality is having your own experience.”

  I kinda like that.

  
  I would also point out that Christianity is a religion but also deeply personal in that Jesus told Nicodemus three times that we must be born again. When I was born  originally, it was a deeply meaningful and personalized experience for me.  I even got a certificate officiating the occasion. 

  
  When I was born again, the same thing happened... again.
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  Gave my first hour talk sunday before last

  by Perry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i started going door to door at age 5 and was giving no.

  2 talks by age 7. during the 8 years i was an active adult jw i was never a ms or elder (although i was a regular pioneer once).

  so, i never qualified to give an hour talk.

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  How many people would have been in attendance if you don`t mind my asking.And what was the response afterwards 

  Around 100 people. Response was positive. I heard the term "overwhelming" and "information overload" thrown around a bit. The demo really helped to simply the info. Without the demo I think it would not have done what I intended it to do. Sound room said they had a lot of requests for the video tape.

  Pastor and elders loved it.
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  New Apostate: Tempest in a Teacup

  by Tempest in a Teacup in

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  first post on here.

  i've been lurking for 3-4 years and i mean i've been a mega lurker, doing marathon reading sessions for months or weeks.. sometimes i proceed by researching specific topics, or posters; other times just reading current discussions.

  i'm particularly fond of "old" post, i.e 10-12-15 years ago.. i have laughed, smiled, got mad, cried etc, just reading some threads here.. as you can see i suffer from some kind of "accute lurkitis".

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  I'm guessing Poland. My wife says Polish are super religious Catholic. Doesn't matter, glad you are here. 

  God has been very good to me after leaving the Tower and doing business directly with Jesus. May you experience the same.
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  Did you go to your prom or belong to a "worldly" club while you were a witness?

  by minimus in

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  i didn't go to the prom but i did belong to a chess club until the awake article said it was a war game and suggested true christians wouldn't play such a game.

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  Thanks for posting that VH7.

  That reasoning is so flawed. Life is war, our Christian walk is war, we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against .... wickedness in high places. And, 2 Timothy 2:3 says, "Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ."

  I suspect the reason they wrote against chess is because of its inherent mental practice, and also it just gives people another reason to imagine their moral superiority by adding another item to their prohibition list. 

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  Been a while!

  by lambsbottom in

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  just wanted to say thank you to all of you for everything over the last 3.5 years.

  i am completely faded now.

  i no longer suffer from major anxiety/depression, well versed on cults and how to protect myself, continually searching and taking in knowledge regarding my own relationship with god.

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  Perry

  Glad to hear that you have readjusted your thinking!
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  Gave my first hour talk sunday before last

  by Perry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i started going door to door at age 5 and was giving no.

  2 talks by age 7. during the 8 years i was an active adult jw i was never a ms or elder (although i was a regular pioneer once).

  so, i never qualified to give an hour talk.

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  I may post something in the future. I looked at the video and wasn't happy with my delivery. I used a script as opposed to an outline because I have a terrible habit of wandering off too much when using an outline. 

  The Wall Street Journal recently had an interesting piece on creation here. But regardless of what position ex members take, I think that we would all agree that Christians are in a unique position to help JW's question their own beliefs from a biblical point of view.

  They may shun us, but they actively seek out Christians at their homes.