Interesting how the term "voting members" comes up a lot in there.
A H Macmillan talked about"voting" too in his book...
https://archive.org/details/FaithOnTheMarchByA.H.Macmillan/page/n109/mode/2up?q=vote
Sounds really "theocratic" - not!😜
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Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting
by slimboyfat insay it ain’t so!
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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
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Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting
by slimboyfat insay it ain’t so!
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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
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Fun facts from past annual meetings...
https://jwtalk.net/topic/56195-140-years/page/2/#comment-1000810
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/1971-Yearbook-of-Jehovahs-Witnesses/Annual-Meeting/#p10
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/1972-Yearbook-of-Jehovahs-Witnesses/Annual-Meeting/#p7
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/1973-Yearbook-of-Jehovahs-Witnesses/The-Governing-Body/#p2
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1971923#h=33
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Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting
by slimboyfat insay it ain’t so!
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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
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All Christians are "anointed" with holy spirit if they are truly followers of Christ. It's not possible to follow Christ without being anointed with holy spirit.
The problem is with the English word "anointed." It has more than one meaning and the context of the original language word it's translated from needs to be considered.
David was anointed to be king, but he wasn't anointed to become a spirit creature.
Samson was anointed with holy spirit that empowered him but he wasn't anointed to be king.
The priests in ancient Israel were anointed for a priestly assignment but they weren't kings.
The people of Israel of old as a nation were anointed for a specific purpose at that time but they weren't anointed to be spirit creatures.
The Watchtower and other denominations have scrambled the brains of people as to the meaning of "anointed" in Revelation.
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The Question of the "Great Apostasy" and the Historical Continuity of Christianity
by aqwsed12345 in1. the continuity and visibility of the church.
the true church must be continuous from the apostolic age.
there is no room in christianity for a "gap" or interruption of thousands of years during which true christianity ceased to exist and then was revived in the form of another movement.
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The Mosaic Law prescribed extracting a literal number out of the entire nation of dedicated Jews for the purpose of ministering in a specific assignment.
The numbers "7" and "7" in the vision Joseph interpreted for Pharaoh during the years of plenty and the years of famine were literal even though the cows and grain were symbolic.
The numbers "3" and "3" were literal in the vision Joseph interpreted for the baker and the cupbearer even though the cups and the baskets were figurative.
The number of beasts in Daniel were sometimes literal and sometimes figurative depending on the context. "There are four beasts" was interpreted by the angel as "four kingdoms" and it was literal, including the "king of Greece" that the angel named.
In Joseph's dream with the sun moon and 11 stars bowing down to him, the number "11" was literal and fulfilled when his 11 brothers bowed down to him in Egypt.
Thus the idea that the number "144,000" must be figurative is based on a selective reading of the text that does not take into account the larger context and understanding of the scriptures, namely, the entire Bible.
The Bible is clear that the number 144,000 is literal number who will come down out of heaven and minister on the earth, be seen by people here and work among them along with Jesus and Jehovah.
And yet there are many so-called "Christians" - including some who are part of Watchtower and some who are against Watchtower - who teach apostasy from what the Bible says.
The "Great Apostasy" goes on.
(But not for much longer anyway.)
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Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting
by slimboyfat insay it ain’t so!
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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
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The Mosaic Law prescribed extracting a literal number out of the entire nation of dedicated Jews for the purpose of ministering in a specific assignment.
The numbers "7" and "7" in the vision Joseph interpreted for Pharaoh during the years of plenty and the years of famine were literal even though the cows and grain were symbolic.
The numbers "3" and "3" were literal in the vision Joseph interpreted for the baker and the cupbearer even though the cups and the baskets were figurative.
The number of beasts in Daniel were sometimes literal and sometimes figurative depending on the context. "There are four beasts" was interpreted by the angel as "four kingdoms" and it was literal, including the "king of Greece" that the angel named.
In Joseph's dream with the sun moon and 11 stars bowing down to him, the number "11" was literal and fulfilled when his 11 brothers bowed down to him in Egypt.
Thus the idea that the number "144,000" must be figurative is based on a selective reading of the text that does not take into account the larger context and understanding of the scriptures, namely, the entire Bible.
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WTS 2024 Annual Business Meeting ...
by careful in... is just three weeks from this saturday.
the org has been tight-lipped, really, successfully secret about advance info on these in recent years,.
now that these relatively recent changes on dress and grooming, reporting fs time, judicial matters, etc.
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FreeTheMasons
PID has more than one meaning.
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The Date for the Memorial is WRONG this year!
by Kelley959 inan interesting video was on youtube with a person claiming that the memorial date for 2024 was wrong.
so i consulted three different jewish calendars online and sure enough, he appears to be right.
i went back to 2014 and forward to 2027. they have the future dates listed.
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FreeTheMasons
Sometimes scholars have their heads so far into a book that they forget to look up.
Even a kid can figure out when the moon is full.
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Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting
by slimboyfat insay it ain’t so!
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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
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FreeTheMasons
(For comparison, here are two photos of AH Macmillan, the first is with Grant Suiter when Grant was secretary-treasurer. Grant became secretary-treasurer in 1947.)
It doesn't appear to be the same man. The facial angles and glasses are different.
How interesting it would be to peruse the list of voting members from any given time period in Watchtower history.
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Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting
by slimboyfat insay it ain’t so!
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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
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Those photos you mentioned are from videos taken in the late 1930s.
(Here is a better screenshot...)
The video that screenshot is taken from can be viewed here:
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Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting
by slimboyfat insay it ain’t so!
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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
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Fleetwood Mac had a cool album called "Rumours" - one of the songs was entitled "Never Going Back Again."
Another was "I Don't Want To Know."
Hey, I think I would like to know, maybe "@vienne" knows...who are these people in these pictures here? Rumour has it some of them are associated with the "upper eschelon" in the Watchtower hierarchy and their relations have some say in the Annual Meeting type decisions...
https://jws-library.one/?search=rothschild