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  Careful what you wish for! Regarding Jehovah in the New Testament

  by pizzahut2023 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ok i'll bite.. let's say for a moment that jehovah's witnesses are right, and that the nt autographs (the originals) contained the tetragrammaton.let's say that the nt writers always wrote "jehovah" in greek (iexoba, as the witnesses spell it currently) when they quoted the hebrew scriptures, whether they quoted from the hebrew version or the septuagint, and jehovah's name appeared on the quote.

  let's say that the original septuagint always had iexoba whenever they were referring to jehovah.then we have that the original septuagint said in psalms 101:26-28 the following:"at the beginning it was you, o jehovah, who founded the earth, and the heavens are works of your hands.

  they will perish, but you will endure, and they will all become old like a garment.

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  @ aqwesed - You claimed (as most/all trinitarians do) "But because Jesus was both God and man in one person..."

  1) Do you disagree/believe this: Matthew 20:28 - “‘For this is how the Son of Man came… Not to be served, but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

  2) Do you disagree/believe this: 1 Timothy 2:5, 6 - "...a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all."

  3) Do you disagree/believe this: 1st Corinthians 15:21,22,45 - Jesus replaced Adam as mankind's life-giving ancestor, with the whole human race owing their life to him, not to Adam. That will include everyone who is resurrected, and all those who survive the end. Isaiah 9:6 confirms this, by prophetically calling Jesus, “Everlasting Father.”

  If Jesus' ransom corresponds to what Adam lost, it logically follows (if your claim is true) that Adam himself must have been "fully God & fully man," otherwise, Jesus' ransom price was far, far, greater than what Adam forfeited, and not "corresponding.".
  

  Have you ever heard of such an anomaly with a ransom?

  When can a ransom repurchase price ever be greater or lesser than what was lost?

  If you can, please provide scriptural references if you disagree with anything here.
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  Chat AI shows Jesus was not god

  by enigma1863 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  title: jesus' perception of himself: a nuanced view of equality in a patriarchal society.

  introduction:.

  the perception of jesus christ's divinity has been a subject of theological debate for centuries.

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  @ pokertopia - I've looked at numerous Bible versions, but I can't find any which says or infers, "there is no miracle I can show."

  Every Bible I've looked at says, "no sign will be given."

  Can you cite your source?
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  "Independent" Scotland joke!

  by BoogerMan in

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  2. current

  humza yousaf, scotland's first minister, said: "scotland, i'm afraid, is suffering because we are not independent.

  " https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-66012834.

  try telling that to scotland's tourists and many island communities: the ferry services are dying month by month, and the two new overdue & over-budget ferries justify a serious legal/criminal enquiry.. any bunch of incompetents who can't provide a small country with a ferry service and a legally binding contract to build 2 new boats - having controlled scotland since 2007 - has no credibility in claiming they could run a country!.

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  @ sbf - how can you totally ignore/dismiss the economic disaster which a 'Yes' vote would bring down on Scotland's population as previously stated?

  "During 2021-22 tax revenue generated in Scotland amounted to about £73.8 billion, including North Sea oil revenue. During the same period, Scotland benefited from about £97.5 billion in public spending, a difference of £23.7 billion."

  How many financial lemmings live in Scotland?

  
  
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  Update: Its been awhile.. Sorta a long post but i'll have a TLTR at the bottom.

  by Jayk in

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  2. family

  last time i was really active on here i just found out ttbtt.. i was 28 at the time and now im 33. a lot has gone on but im finally able to live my life.

  have my own apartment, steady job, a dog.

  a big event that recently happened was a little of a year and a half ago my jw mom passed away.. i hadn't talked to her in over a year prior and i almost didn't go see her before she did.

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  Seriously, when people have conspired to vilify & demonise you, what is there to salvage?

  7 years ago my only siblings - both JW's - combined & colluded to notify me that I was no longer their relative, because I was saying "negative things" about their Golden Calf. (Love, eh? John 13:35)

  "By extension," all of my nieces & nephews followed suit.

  There are other people in the world - decent people. Go out and build new & better relationships.
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  R & F JW's ARE agents of the org....

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ....despite the cult's denials.. w51 6/15 p. 378 par.

  23 the spirit, the organization, and the word - his theocratic organization recognizes your authority from his word, the bible.

  so it uses you as one of its representatives in the field and it co-operates with you, supplies your needs, and renders you assistance..

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  ....despite the cult's denials.

  w51 6/15 p. 378 par. 23 The Spirit, the Organization, and the Word - His theocratic organization recognizes your authority from his Word, the Bible. So it uses you as one of its representatives in the field and it co-operates with you, supplies your needs, and renders you assistance.
  
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  NOBODY can get Holy Spirit - except via the G.B.....

  by BoogerMan in

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  2. beliefs

  ...according to bro.

  tony evans, district overseer, @ the voyager school assembly, peterborough, uk 10-2-13:.

  "jehovah does not give holy spirit, apart from the scriptures.

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  ...according to Bro. Tony Evans, District Overseer, @ the Voyager School Assembly, Peterborough, UK 10-2-13:

  "Jehovah does not give Holy Spirit, apart from the Scriptures. Now that's the first thing. The second thing is, Jehovah does not provide wisdom through Holy Spirit apart from the Faithful & Discreet Slave Class.* We're just going to pause there and review those two main points; the conscience is a gift from God, but in order for it to work as he designed it, we need to be good students of God's word, because He's not going to impart Holy Spirit to us apart from the Scriptures, and He isn't going to impart that Holy Spirit - there is no wisdom from God apart from the Faithful & Discreet Slave class. We want a good conscience that is going to guide us the right way."

  * This D.O. hadn't a clue that not only was the "slave class" truth about to become a lie in a few short months, but D.O.'s would soon be thrown under the bus

  w13 7/15 p. 21 par. 9 “Who Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?” "Do all anointed ones on earth make up the faithful slave? No."

  
  
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  "outside of time" argument

  by Blotty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is going to be very brief but a user recently tried to argue an argument that has already been refuted many times - the logic is somewhat sound but falls apart when the definition to the word used it looked and its usages in the bible.the word in question is "aionas" found in the scripture in question hebrews 1:2 .

  (https://biblehub.com/hebrews/1-2.htm#lexicon)for starters look at the biblehub translations - do any of them state "outside of time" or that time was "created" in this moment - no because this seems to be heavily inspired by greek philosophy rather than the bible itself.note: i am not saying this word does not mean eternity or anything of the sort, i am saying this scripture some of the claims i dispute and can easily disprove, hence the argument is laughable.. bill mounce defines the word as:pr.

  a period of time of significant character; life; an era; an age: hence, a state of things marking an age or era; the present order of nature; the natural condition of man, the world; ὁ αἰών, illimitable duration, eternity; as also, οἱ αἰῶνες, ὁ αἰῶν τῶν αἰώνων, οἱ αἰῶνες τῶν αἰώνων; by an aramaism οἱ αἰῶνες, the material universe, heb.

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  "...it is just beyond reason..."

  I rest my case!
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  "outside of time" argument

  by Blotty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is going to be very brief but a user recently tried to argue an argument that has already been refuted many times - the logic is somewhat sound but falls apart when the definition to the word used it looked and its usages in the bible.the word in question is "aionas" found in the scripture in question hebrews 1:2 .

  (https://biblehub.com/hebrews/1-2.htm#lexicon)for starters look at the biblehub translations - do any of them state "outside of time" or that time was "created" in this moment - no because this seems to be heavily inspired by greek philosophy rather than the bible itself.note: i am not saying this word does not mean eternity or anything of the sort, i am saying this scripture some of the claims i dispute and can easily disprove, hence the argument is laughable.. bill mounce defines the word as:pr.

  a period of time of significant character; life; an era; an age: hence, a state of things marking an age or era; the present order of nature; the natural condition of man, the world; ὁ αἰών, illimitable duration, eternity; as also, οἱ αἰῶνες, ὁ αἰῶν τῶν αἰώνων, οἱ αἰῶνες τῶν αἰώνων; by an aramaism οἱ αἰῶνες, the material universe, heb.

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  I calmly and respectfully discussed/debated the trinity dogma for over 20 years with someone who had been a trustworthy and loyal friend for over 30 years, until I felt that "flogging the dead horse" was serving no good whatsoever.

  On more than one occasion I suggested that we "agree to disagree" and that one day we'll get the truth. Nope!

  He couldn't let it go - he was on a crusade - and when I declined his offer to watch a 4 minute YouTube video of a Catholic priest trying to "prove" the trinity, my friend went totally ballistic - screaming & shouting at me, falsely accusing me of various motives for my refusal. Based on this, he ended our friendship.

  QUESTION: Why do so many people get bitter & twisted about a dogma which even the Catholic Church admits is an inexplicable mystery?

  If they can't explain it, "Christians" should leave it in the hands of Christ the judge. John 5:28,29, Acts 10:42, Acts 17:31, Romans 14:9, 2 Cor. 5:10, 2 Tim. 4:1, 1 Pet. 4:5, Rev. 11:18 & 20:12.

  The hatred which opposite opinions generate, reveal much regarding John 13:35!
  

  Just sayin.'
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  Tony Morris in jail!

  by BoogerMan in

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  2. humour

  the voices are excellent.

  (or is ai being used?).

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvoy4tvubf4&t=208s.

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  The voices are excellent. (or is AI being used?)

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVOy4TVubF4&t=208s
  
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  Guaranteed way not to get disfellowshipped

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if it’s looking like someone may be disfellowshiped or announced they are no longer a jw and they don’t want to be shunned they just want to fade without being shunned - just say that would make me suicidal .

  simple.

  in the new shepherding book it says if they say that then don’t go ahead with it.

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  For anyone wanting to fade as peacefully & trouble-free as possible, there are 3 key words to remember when any JW - especially elders - ask why you're missing meetings & field srvice: "Private & personal."

  Let them know know it's nothing you can discuss - except with Jehovah in prayer - thank them for their concern, and tell them that it's good to know you can call them if things change!

  Elders: "Are you refusing to talk with us?

  No, I just can't discuss things right now.