Posts by BoogerMan

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How exactly did Jesus choose the organization in 1919?

by Gman2001 in

did he appear to someone?.

BoogerMan

The cornerstone of JW belief is not Jehovah/Jesus Christ - it's based on the Gibbering Body!

Disbelief in the G.B.'s self-proclaimed appointment or teachings, means gehenna for all.

w90 3/15 p. 12 par. 10 - "Christ, the active Head of the congregation, used this enlarged governing body to settle the important doctrinal matter of non-Jewish Christians’ being circumcised..." (according to "God's org" dogma!)

Also - bt chap. 13 p. 103 - "....the first-century governing body settled the circumcision issue...")

But what does the Bible really teach?

Galatians 2:1-6 shows that it was the apostle Paul who was used to resolve the issue, being directed by a revelation to teach the older men in Jerusalem - not the other way around. (especially verses 2 & 6)

1 ...after 14 years I again went up to Jerusalem with Barʹna·bas, also taking Titus along with me.

2 I went up as a result of a revelation, and I presented to them the good news that I am preaching among the nations. This was done privately, however, before the men who were highly regarded, to make sure that I was not running or had not run in vain.

3 Nevertheless, not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, although he was a Greek.

4 But that matter came up because of the false brothers brought in quietly, who slipped in to spy on the freedom we enjoy in union with Christ Jesus, so that they might completely enslave us;

5 we did not yield in submission to them, no, not for a moment, so that the truth of the good news might continue with you.

6 But regarding those who seemed to be important whatever they were makes no difference to me, for God does not go by a man’s outward appearance - those highly regarded men imparted nothing new to me.

Claims that the apostle Paul was a member of a "governing body" are dispelled in verse 1 where it reveals that he never went near Jerusalem for 14 years.

Neither the teaching nor the term 'governing body' appear anywhere in the Bible.

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Jesus' language was extravagant? Really?

by BoogerMan in

w80 10/1 p. 25 after these “last days” god’s messianic kingdom!

- "when speaking of those final days of the jewish system of things, jesus said: “then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.” reportedly, there were 97,000 jews inside jerusalem that survived the siege and desolation of their holy city and its temple built by king herod.

however, these were not the “chosen ones” on whose account that “great tribulation” was shortened.

BoogerMan

Revelation 7:14 - "And I said to him, My lord, you have knowledge. And he said to me, These are they who came through the great testing, * and their robes have been washed and made white in the blood of the Lamb." (Bible in Basic English)

*a pressing, pressing together, pressure, metaph. oppression, affliction, tribulation, distress, straits

Perhaps the JW's view of the G.T. isn't as bad as they make it out to be/want it to be.

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Why do JW apostates tend to be activists against the religion?

by Vanderhoven7 in

j. arden writes.

first of all an apostate is literally just someone who left.

most jws are technically apostates from the religions they were raised in.

BoogerMan

If any of my former JW associates labelled me as "an apostate," I'd ask them to explain to me exactly what they think an apostate is - not what the org tells them it means.*

"Heresy, denial or doubt of any defined doctrine, is sharply distinguished from apostasy, which denotes deliberate abandonment of the Christian faith itself."

https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/dictionaries-thesauruses-pictures-and-press-releases/heresy-and-apostasy

Many people abandon the denomination/org/sect of JW's, but not Christianity.

Christianity & the org are not one and the same!

*Likewise with the word "Christendom." ("Christian people or countries as a whole" - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/christendom)

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"Outside the realms" of the words meaning?

by Blotty in

i was recently doing some research and came across this curious quite from dr beduhn - i can't say how valid it is or if he actually said it (source linked).

but this got me thinking i don't think there is anything in any bible where it is a "deliberate" distortion or the words go against the "possible range of meanings the greek" could have.

i know beduhn is not considered an authority however he does have a point - if its in the range of meanings it is by no means a mistranslation & cannot be pointed out as such.

BoogerMan

In both of the quoted scriptures from the NWT, "the society" aka "the organization" has falsely translated the Greek word phobos - phobia = fear;

(1 Peter 3:2) ...together with deep respect.

(1 Peter 3:15) ....but doing so with a mild temper and deep respect.

Peter was reminding Christians & their wives to maintain their Godly-fear; nothing to do with "deep respect."

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Jesus' language was extravagant? Really?

by BoogerMan in

w80 10/1 p. 25 after these “last days” god’s messianic kingdom!

- "when speaking of those final days of the jewish system of things, jesus said: “then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.” reportedly, there were 97,000 jews inside jerusalem that survived the siege and desolation of their holy city and its temple built by king herod.

however, these were not the “chosen ones” on whose account that “great tribulation” was shortened.

BoogerMan

w80 10/1 p. 25 After These “Last Days” God’s Messianic Kingdom! - "When speaking of those final days of the Jewish system of things, Jesus said: “Then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.” Reportedly, there were 97,000 Jews inside Jerusalem that survived the siege and desolation of their holy city and its temple built by King Herod. However, these were not the “chosen ones” on whose account that “great tribulation” was shortened. Rather, these were the Christians, who, after the lifting of the first siege in 66 C.E., promptly obeyed Jesus’ advice as given in Matthew 24:16-20 and fled from the doomed city to outside the province of Judea. All of that back there was bad enough. But if Jesus’ words about it in Matthew 24:20 ("no, nor will occur again) and Mark 13:19 ("...and will not occur again") are restricted to just the end of Jerusalem in 70 C.E., then his language regarding this becomes extravagant. It certainly was not the greatest tribulation ever to occur in all recorded human history." (JW's: which part of "not occur again" is hard to understand? 🤣🤣)

Scripturally speaking, if the flood in Noah's day wiped out at least 99.99% of the world's population, that would easily qualify as the greatest tribulation "in all recorded human history." But Jesus wasn't talking about that; he was describing the greatest tribulation to ever occur in the Jewish nation - not "the world."

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Awake! No.1 2023, A United Nations Advertisement?

by EasyPrompt in

awake!

magazine no.1 2023 and united nations promotions.

page 3, "world meteorological association".

BoogerMan

I am very distrustful of anything with the word 'world' in its title:

World Economic Forum, World Bank, World Health Organization, World Federation of United Nations Associations, New World Translation.

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JW Writing Committee has a dilemma with Stephen's prayer

by BoogerMan in

(acts 7:59, 60) "and they went on casting stones at stephen as he made appeal* and said: “lord jesus, receive my spirit.” then, bending his knees, he cried out with a strong voice: “jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” and after saying this he fell asleep [in death].

" *or, “invocation; prayer.” nwt reference bible).

w59 2/1 p. 96 - jesus had taught his followers that the father authorized him to raise others to life.

BoogerMan

@ EasyPrompt: the org eventually got it straight, but still rejects the notion of Christians talking to their mediator/intercessor.

w08 5/15 p. 31 par. 2 - Fully aware that Jesus had been given the power to resurrect the dead, Stephen spoke, but did not pray, directly to Jesus, asking Him to safeguard his spirit.

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JW Writing Committee has a dilemma with Stephen's prayer

by BoogerMan in

(acts 7:59, 60) "and they went on casting stones at stephen as he made appeal* and said: “lord jesus, receive my spirit.” then, bending his knees, he cried out with a strong voice: “jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” and after saying this he fell asleep [in death].

" *or, “invocation; prayer.” nwt reference bible).

w59 2/1 p. 96 - jesus had taught his followers that the father authorized him to raise others to life.

BoogerMan

I neither said that Stephen prayed nor did I agree with the WT "explanation."

The org says he prayed - and then they had a problem with the word "prayer."

w59 2/1 p. 96 - ".....and his prayer indicates proper understanding on his part."

Stephen, Saul/Paul, & John each had a brief exchange with Christ - not a prayer. After all, people should be able to address their mediator.

Sorry for the confusion.

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"the other sheep will feed the other sheep"

by enoughisenough in

interesting statement in this video...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zchsc1wedns.

BoogerMan

CATEGORICAL & VERIFIABLE FACT: The G.B./faithful slave does NOT provide "food at the proper time."

The elite at the top of the WTBTS pyramid delegated that job to the (non-anointed) minions in their Writing Committees who produce everything for JW's.

The Guardians Of Doctrine (GODS) then claim the credit.

@ JW wives: If your husband claimed all the credit for making a large meal for fellow JW's - simply because he provided the finance - would you be pleased at such a lie?

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JW Writing Committee has a dilemma with Stephen's prayer

by BoogerMan in

(acts 7:59, 60) "and they went on casting stones at stephen as he made appeal* and said: “lord jesus, receive my spirit.” then, bending his knees, he cried out with a strong voice: “jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” and after saying this he fell asleep [in death].

" *or, “invocation; prayer.” nwt reference bible).

w59 2/1 p. 96 - jesus had taught his followers that the father authorized him to raise others to life.

BoogerMan

(Acts 7:59, 60) "And they went on casting stones at Stephen as he made appeal* and said: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” Then, bending his knees, he cried out with a strong voice: “Jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” And after saying this he fell asleep [in death]." *Or, “invocation; prayer.” NWT Reference Bible)

w59 2/1 p. 96 - Jesus had taught his followers that the Father authorized him to raise others to life. So it was proper for Stephen to petition Jesus over this matter, and his prayer indicates proper understanding on his part.

w05 1/1 p. 31 - Does Stephen’s brief utterance set a precedent for praying to Jesus? Not at all.... Also, these circumstances were exceptional. The only other case of such an utterance being directed to Jesus is that of the apostle John,* who similarly addressed Jesus directly when he saw Him in vision.

* False teaching! 🤣 This is either a blatant lie, or someone in the Writing Committee doesn't know what the Bible "really" teaches. (see Acts 9:4, 5 when Saul/Paul spoke to Jesus)