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  Thoughts on the "Fall of Babylon"

  by refiners fire in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  most recently i have been examining such invisibly occurring events as the 1918 resurrection of the saints and this week ive looked into the watchtower claim that babylon the great fell in 1919. there was scant evidence and little biblical support for the wt claim about the resurrection occuring .

  in fact, the key line of proof of the resurrection was that rutherford was released from jail in 1919. does the claim of babylons fall in 1919 fare better?

  what is the proof offered by the wt that this, in fact, occurred?

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  Just out of interest, why do you only mainly refer to old publications which even the active members claim to be "out of date" in some aspects?
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  Did Christ start a cult?

  by petespal2002 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  interesting thought.

  if we say that jw's, mormons, etc.

  are 'cults' because they are not affilated with any 'mainstream' religious organisation, and that their founder is a man who becomes a sort of figurehead, could not the same be said of the organisation founded by christ?

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  petespal2002

  Interesting thought. If we say that JW's, Mormons, etc. are 'cults' because they are not affilated with any 'mainstream' religious organisation, and that their founder is a man who becomes a sort of figurehead, could not the same be said of the organisation founded by Christ? His followers seperated themselves off from the organized religion of the day, and could be said to have presented a fanatical view to the point of being willing to die for their beliefs. ("Greater love hath no man.") If we do not accept the Bible account as literal then Jesus was only a man who decided to found a religion that later took his name.
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  Charlses T Russell, WTBTS man?

  by be wise in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have been researching charles t russell.

  i'm just getting a bit disatisfied of hearsay one way or another.

  i have basically found out that the chances of him being a freemason are divided by a lot of confusion.

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  petespal2002

  By concluding with "all religious cults are essentially the same", in the context of your argument you have infered that the movement started by Jesus was a cult, which in one way it has to be if we argue that cults are always the brainchild of a man who takes the lead and acts as figurehead.
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  Charlses T Russell, WTBTS man?

  by be wise in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have been researching charles t russell.

  i'm just getting a bit disatisfied of hearsay one way or another.

  i have basically found out that the chances of him being a freemason are divided by a lot of confusion.

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  petespal2002

  "I wonder what Jesus would have made of this society had he existed today"

  Personally I wonder what we would have made of Jesus and the movement he was starting had we lived then? What would you think if someone walked up to you in the main street and said "be my follower"? There's every chance we would have thought him a nut as many then did. He'd want you to leave behind all your possessions to follow him, and in doing so there was every chance of getting killed by his enemies. To follow him would mean becoming a laughing stock to your peers and your family, and linking yourself to a ridiculed minority. You would be totally at odds with the established religion of the time/area, and what's more Jesus would send you out to preach from house to house and city to city that you were the only ones with "truth" and they didn't have a hope in hell unless they converted!

  Doesn't sound that much different to being a dub.
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  Is it really so...????????????????????/

  by petespal2002 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  at the book study conversation turned to the importance of numbers and their symbolic use in bible texts.

  the elder leading the study stated that he believed the number 7 was of such vital importance, that when the great crowd number 7,000,000 and the remnant 7000 the end will come.

  any thoughts?

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  petespal2002

  At the book study conversation turned to the importance of numbers and their symbolic use in Bible texts. The elder leading the study stated that he believed the number 7 was of such vital importance, that when the great crowd number 7,000,000 and the remnant 7000 the end will come. Any thoughts?
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  What happened to the 1918 'Resurrection' ?

  by refiners fire in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  brothers.

  sisters.

  of recent i have been most interested in those invisible yet world shaking events that altered human history, those taking place in the early part of the 20th century.

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  petespal2002

  But then don't the WTBTS assert somewhere that DURING the time period of Luke 21 when men will faint out of fear because the sign of the son of man has appeared in the heavens, those who have been raised tp the heavens will be 'revealed' to those of the great crowd on earth. So the idea is wait and see who went to heaven from 1918 onwards, that it is unnecassary to know now.
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  all you going to heaven

  by petespal2002 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am fascinated to know who left the wtbts simply because they felt they possessed the heavenly calling?

  when and how did you feel the upward call, and how has it affected your life?

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  petespal2002

  I am fascinated to know who left the WTBTS simply because they felt they possessed the heavenly calling? When and how did you feel the upward call, and how has it affected your life?
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  4 Deceptions in the Require Brochure

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i read this post by libby on channel c and thought it was very insightful and thought-provoking for both non-jws and jws.. posted by libby on wed - apr 2 - 11:32am: .

  greetings fellow posters, .

  deceptions 1 & 2: in paragraph #1 the reader is told that the bible is like a letter from a loving father to his children.

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  petespal2002

  I can spot a potential trap in one 'deception'. Yes the WTBTS show how various translations of the bible and ancient manuscripts differ to back up current beliefs, such as missing out the Tetragramatton when it was considered too holy to utter, but the idea here is that the BASIC message of the Bible has been preserved, so that the gist of it, ie the kingdom of God AKA the 'Sacred Secret', has always been there for those who would look. A JW would say that the very fact that the Bible is still here is proof of it's preservation. Am I splitting hairs?
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  Now this..... is freaky !

  by gumby in

  1. social
  2. humour

  try this one.....its freaky

  have you ever wondered if your mind is normal?

  well, do this little mind

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  petespal2002

  Potato.

  Why are we meant to think of a carrot. Get in bed with Jung.
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 2-2-03 WT Study

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  comments you will not hear at the 2-2-03 wt study

  december 15, 2002.

  use the bible, not wt publications.

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  petespal2002

  Just a small point that I feel some of you out there will leap upon. As I understand it. never have the WTBTS ever said that those who haven't heard the message will be doomed. Isn't the idea that Jehovah will use jis power to look into their hearts and make a judgement based upon what He finds there. If He is omniscient surely He could foreknow how these would respond had they had an opportunity to hear the message!

  What I would like to know in a similar vein is, what happens to all the babies at Armageddon? I look forward to some comments.