Yup, the same. I knew David quite well, played squash with him. I can give you the story as I know it by mail.
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by zev inquestion.... there was a "brother, whose first name i have forgoten.. his last name was lyman.
did anyone in england know him?.
he died in a plane crash.. now that i think of it...his first name may have been david.... -zev, honourary member, the hurling class.
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to the brits...
by zev inquestion.... there was a "brother, whose first name i have forgoten.. his last name was lyman.
did anyone in england know him?.
he died in a plane crash.. now that i think of it...his first name may have been david.... -zev, honourary member, the hurling class.
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Joe was the father of the guy who died. Zev, email me. I might be able to give you some info.
philo
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Help for the faithless!
by philo ini am interested in the usages of 'loyalty' and 'faithfulness' in watchtower writing.
because faithfulness, to a christian, is usually between the individual and his/her god, whereas loyalty is more often used to describe lower allegiances to causes, organisation, leaders etc, as illustrated.... loyal.
faithful adherence to one's promise, oath, word, etc.
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I am interested in the usages of 'loyalty' and 'faithfulness' in Watchtower writing. Why? Because faithfulness, to a Christian, is usually between the individual and his/her God, whereas loyalty is more often used to describe lower allegiances to causes, organisation, leaders etc, as illustrated…
Loyal. Faithful adherence to one's promise, oath, word, etc. Faithful allegiance to the sovereign or lawful government. (Also, now, enthusiastic devotion to the sovereigns person or family.)
Faithful . Full of or characterised by faith; believing - 1759. True to the fact of the original, accurate.
It would be nice if I could show how the Watchtower has tended to replace 'faithfulness' with 'loyalty' in its writing over the years of its development. Perhaps this change has not happened, but I would like to investigate anyway, and for that I need a little help. Would someone with a CD-ROM please search from 1950 onward for the terms "faithful" and "loyal". No reading is necessary, at the moment I am only interested in the number of hits, which is how many articles for each search. If possible I'd like to have these referenced by year also.
Initial search result.
From 40 consecutive Watchtower articles of 1916 I found 30 articles containing 'faithful' and 19 containing 'loyal'. This is only a start, and I am expanding my archive to search more extensively.
Please let me know if any of you can help. My thanks.
philo
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Kingdom Song for Farkel
by Maximus infarkel, i have this little ditty in my head you must have implanted from afar.
anybody remember this?.
to the work, to the work,.
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: hastening on...
Which song book was that from?
I used to knock out K-'melodies' on the joanna, yuk, I even did it in PRIVATE! LOL
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COC , nail in the coffin?
by noidea ini know that many of you have read coc.. was you mind made up about leaving the org.
before or after you read it?
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I read COC a year after leaving. Reading a real, whole book, was too much to ask of me as a dub!
The Internet had a big influence in my leaving.
philo
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ID Card
by hippikon inhow would you fill the blanks?.
name: bro bad publisher.
congregation: www.jehovahs-witness.com
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Name: Dick Upton-Obediahnce
Congregation: Shelbyville, Dubia
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should I Respond to judgment panel after 14 years?
by sennabrasil94 init's been 14 years since i was anathmatised at 17 years of age, i was never baptised but they still marked me as dissaproved asociation,it had the same effect as being dissfellowshiped.
this tore my family apart i was satan's child acording to my stepfather want-a-be.
the elders suggested that because i was haveing sexual relations with worldy girls and drinking that it would lead to drug addition jail and homosexuality and destruction at armageton.
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Welcome Senna,
I'm sorry for your losses, and I hope you will be able to turn some of them into gains. I think I have started to do this, partly with the help of this community.
Facing the 'brothers' may help you, I doubt if it will make any difference to them.
I think life is better than no life.
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United States Courts -Judicial Branch Info
by Utopian Reformist inas an employee of the judicial branch of the federal government, i have access to a variety of information systems.
serving as a technology manager, i am familiar with the systems and databases that house public and private legal information.. after 15 years of witness life, i am forced by concern for life and family to rediscover the truth, the real truth.
i am posting this information in order to force people to think; think for themselves, inside their own minds and really get to know their own heart.
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Thanks for your excellent post.
Yes, witnesses do believe that after the 1000 year reign, that the organisation will cease. However this is never their focus, they are looking to Armageddon only, and to their survival of it. Broadly speaking, they look neither forward enough to anticipate scriptural promises, or backward enough to discover the shaky foundations and leadership of their organisation. Instead they look to one point in time, Armageddon. There is little time in the JW life for reflection and no encouragement for it either.
Many JWs must have a vague sense that much of their faith is wrong, but instead of thinking for themselves, they hope that they will be saved collectively as Jehovah's people. The society is ambivalent on the subject of collective salvation, in addressing particular issues they may use collective arguments like "the organisation is the modern-day ark". Other times, the same issue may be addressed with "do we have a strong enough relationship with Jehovah?" or "Can we visualise our personal place in the new system". The same applies to judgement, with the issues of 'collective responsibility' and 'judgement days' versus judgement of individual's souls. The society does not have answers; the latest slant depends on the material, or the writer of the material.
Getting back to Armageddon, your post is especially relevant now because JWs have virtually nothing to focus on; they sense that that 'point' in time is coming no closer, like a carrot on a stick. Discouraged to learn from history or to ask serious questions about the bible and their theology, they have become drones like never before. Perhaps 'proles' is a better description: having menial work, and no other role but to increase in numbers. I feel desperately sorry for them.
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OH.MY.GAWD! 3,000th Post by Ol' Waiting
by waiting ingreat balls of fire!.
this little diddy will be my 3,000th post.. quoting my husband when he finally read a post by me (i made him, btw.
) "2,450 posts!
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Would 'Higher Galactic Entity' do you?
philo
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Official Christian Qualities
by philo infruits of the watchtower spirit .
love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control.. love means duty:.
a duty to be expressed on a sliding scale, towards: firstly, the organisation which is de facto god, the brotherhood, one's spouse and children, other family, worldly relatives, ex-jws, and lastly, to apostate 'persons' (not their deeds) in the form of godly hatred.. joy means routine:.
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Francoise, I used to enjoy a few drinks so much more after the meeting than any other time. Boy, the release! Later, as a MS, I has to do evening shepherding calls with an elder instead of going to the pub. When he dropped me home he always found his schedule conveniently empty, so he would spend the rest of the evening with me and my wife 'sampling' my homebrewed beer. "Shift that bible, John, and try the '98"
philo