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  Ethics, aesthetics, and morals

  by onacruse in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, in the course of tonight's prolonged conversation with one of you jwd recalcitrants .

  if, in fact, this life, this life, is all there is, and nothing remains after...no resurrection, no reincarnation, no transformation, no metamorphosis; that is to say--these bags of salt, water (and a few hydrocarbons and genetic variations thrown in for good measure) are all that we are, and all that we ever will be, and then "poof":.

  why should we refrain from whatever brings the "greatest" personal pleasure to our measured and time-limited existence?

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  I THINK OUR ETHICS AND MORALS ARE THE RESULT OF SELF PRESERVATION AND FEAR.

  IN THIS THINKING THE PHRASE " DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO TO YOU" TAKES ON MUCH MORE THAN A RELIGIOUS STATEMENT.

  IT IS SIMPLY IN OUR BEST INTEREST, TO BE TREATED IN AN ENCOURAGING AND HELPFUL WAY WITH RESPECT.

  THIS THOUGHT WOULD GUIDE US TO LIVING LIFE AND SETTING UP STANDARDS FOR OURSELVES AND GETTING THE GROUP OR TRIBE TO ACCEPT AND GRASP THESE FOR THEIR OWN BEST INTEREST, WHILE SAFEGUARDING OUR OWN SELFISH INTEREST.

  I THINK IT IS TRIGGERED BY OUR OWN SELF INTERESTS, IF WE WE ARE NORMAL AND NOT PSYCHOPATHIC WE BELIEVE OUR STANDARDS WILL BE ADOPTED BY OTHERS.

  WHICH WILL SERVE OUR BEST INTERESTS.

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  Criticisms of Pastor Russell

  by RR in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  jens in a pm reminded me of a pastor russell biography that was in the works some years ago.

  problems after problems prevented it from going forward.

  in the meanwhile there have been a few pastor russell's biographies in the works, some by bible students others by outsiders.

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  WELL GUYS, MY ABOUT 50 YEAR DIET OF ORGANIZED RELIGION, "JW STYLE" HAS LEFT ME WITH A BAD CASE OF HEART BURN AND MENTAL FLATULENCE.

  SO I HAVE ABANDONED THE "MEAT IN DUE SEASON" FOR TV DINNERS.

  I'LL BE DAMNED IF I WILL GIVE ANOTHER BIBLE CHEF ANOTHER SHOT AT ME.

  HOWEVER FOR RR, IF HE HAS FOUND A BELIEF THAT TEACHES "AND CREATES" A CALM AND HAPPY LIFE AND RESULTS IN DOING GOOD FOR HIS FAMILY AND OTHERS, I WOULD BE THE LAST PERSON TO CRITICIZE HIM OR HIS CHOICE.

  IF THE OTHER ASPECTS OF THE RELIGION, SUCH AS DATING END TIMES AND PROPHECIES DON'T CANCELL OUT THE PREVIOUS GOOD AND CAUSE TURMOIL AND DANGEROUS LIFE CHANGES BASED ON THESE THINGS. THE MORE POWER TO HIM.

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  Histrionic Personality Disorder-ever met one?

  by gypsywildone in

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  2. friends

  the dimensional perspective

  dimensionshere is a hypothetical profile, in terms of the five-factor model of personality, for histrionic personality disorder (speculatively constructed from mccrae, 1994, pg.

  high neuroticism chronic negative affects, including anxiety, fearfulness, tension, irritability, anger, dejection, hopelessness, guilt, shame; difficulty in inhibiting impulses: for example, to eat, drink, or spend money; irrational beliefs: for example, unrealistic expectations, perfectionistic demands on self, unwarranted pessimism; unfounded somatic concerns; helplessness and dependence on others for emotional support and decision making.. .

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  HHMMMM?

  WELL NOW.

  SOME OF THIS FITS MY MOM.

  NONE OF IT FITS MY DAD.

  A LOT OF IT FITS MY TWO SISTERS.

  SOME OF THIS FITS MY BROTHER.

  A LITTLE BIT OF IT FITS ME??? I WAS AWARE OF THIS SO NOW AFTER WORKING ON IT. VERY LITTLE OF IT FITS ME.

  I HOPE.

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  How much harm have you caused your congregation?

  by Joker10 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  how much harm did you cause to the people in your congregation?

  everybody complains how the witnesses did this and that and in the process caused so much harm.

  but what you don't say is how much pain you caused others while you were in.

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  JOKER " THE NAME FITS BTW" I HONESTLY DO NOT KNOW OF ANYONE BEING HURT BY ME. EXCEPT, THOSE WHO "CHOSE TO BE OFFENDED" BY MY NOT RETURNING TO THE WBTS BELIEFS.

  ALL OF THOSE FOLKS "MADE THE CONSCIENCE DECISION" TO HURT ME SEVERLY, BY TREATING ME AS IF I NO LONGER EXISTED.

  I KNOW THAT IN LIFE, WE WILL AT TIMES HURT SOMEONE. I AM SURE I DID. BUT NO ONE EVER LET ME KNOW IF I HAD.

  ACTUALLY I FIND YOUR QUESTION AND MY ANSWER ARE TOTALLY IRRELEVANT TO ANY LUCID DISCUSSION OF RELIGIOUS BELIEFS AND THE RIGHT OR WRONG DECISIONS OF A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION OR THEIR MEMBERS CHOICES IN LIFE.

  OR A PERSONS DECISION TO STAY WITH OR LEAVE A RELIGIOUS BELIEF.

  I FEEL SURE THAT IS THE MAIN ISSUE IN YOUR MIND, SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST COME OUT AND DISCUSS THIS REAL ISSUE????

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  If Something Bad Happens To A JW, Are You Happy?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  every so often, i read that some posters have such contempt for jehovah's witnesses, that they are happy when they hear that one died or suffered from cancer or some other disease or tragedy.

  they rationalize things by saying, "jws are so corrupt that getting rid of them in any way is good!".

  or, "i'm glad that this bad thing happened to them.

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  FOR ME IT IS THE SAME AS IF THEY ARE NOT JW'S.

  IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER THEY ARE "EVIL" AND HAVE HURT ME OR PEOPLE I KNOW.

  OR IF THEY ARE A SERIAL KILLER AND OR RAPIST. I FEEL THEIR PUNISHMENT OR DEATH IS JUSTIFIED

  EVEN THEN I DON'T RELISH THEIR DEATH BUT I MAY FEEL THE EARTH IS A LITTLE BETTER

  PLACE WITHOUT THEM.

  IF IT IS JUST A RANDOM DEATH DUE TO ACCIDENT OR ILLNESS, I HAVE LITTLE OR NO REACTION UNLESS THEY WERE AT ONE TIME FRIENDS, THEN THERE IS SOME REGRET.

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  How much harm has your congregation caused you?

  by avishai in

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  it covered up my bro's molestation, etc., etc.

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  WELL AVISHAI, I DID TELL THE ELDERS INVOLVED THAT "THEY NEEDED THE SHIT KICKED OUT OF THEM". THOSE ARE THE VERY WORDS.

  THIS IS THE (REAL) REASON BEHIND THEIR ACTIONS.

  IN THIS DAY AND AGE, ONE HAS TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT PHYSICAL ASSAULT. SO I CONFRONTED AND TRIED TO GET THE MOLESTER TO THROW A PUNCH AT ME.

  I WOULD HAVE BETTER LEGAL GROUNDS FOR BEATING HIM. THE COWARD THAT HE IS PROVED TO BE ALL BLUFF AND WORDS. I COULDN'T GET HIM TO THROW A PUNCH AND I TRIED FOR SEVERAL MINUTES.

  THE BASTARD WAS AND IS A COWARD.

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  How much harm has your congregation caused you?

  by avishai in

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  it covered up my bro's molestation, etc., etc.

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  DUE TO BEING DF'D I LOST ALL ASSOCIATION WITH MY BROTHER AND SISTERS AND ALL THEIR CHILDREN. ALL THE RELATIVES OF MY NOW EX WIFE. SOME OF MY OWN CHILDREN.

  THE ELDERS ALSO PARTICIPATED IN THE DESTRUCTION OF MY MARRIAGE.

  LOST ALL OF MY SO CALLED FRIENDS IN THE WBTS TRAP.

  WHAT WAS THE CAUSE OF ME BEING DF'D??

  (((((ANGER))))) YES ANGER AND ONLY ANGER. I WAS CHARGED WITH "FITS OF RAGE"

  WHAT MADE ME ANGRY??

  I LEARNED THAT MY DAUGHTER HAD BEEN MOLESTED AND FOUND THERE WERE OTHERS THIS SAME ELDER MOLESTED.

  THE WBTS INSTRUCTED THE ELDERS TO DROP THE CASE.

  THE FINAL STRAW WAS HOW THE ELDERS BEHAVED. THAT IS WHEN THEY REALLY SAW THE TRUE ANGER OF SOMEONE THEY HAD HURT.

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  Woman Claims Sexual Abuse by JW Elder

  by Kenneson in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  in the story "cult awareness and sexual abuse support group starting in benton county" is the report of an anonymous woman from camden/eva/tennessee who tells about alleged abuse when she was a child in texas, by her uncle who was a j.w.

  elder.

  it was never reported to the authorities and nothing ever came of it.

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  HI KENNESON.

  I SENT KIMBERLY AN EMAIL WITH THE INFO YOU POSTED. SHE MAY BE CONTACTING YOU.

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  Lawnmowers... what is your oppinion???

  by Elsewhere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it is getting close to time for me to buy a lawnmower.

  when i was growing up and cutting my dad's lawn he always had a self-propelled lawnmower.

  i was very lucky in that i never had to use a push-mower.

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  THE BEST MOWER EVER, IS SOMEONE ELSES MOWER. LIKE YOUR NEIGHBOR OR EVEN YOUR RELATIVES THAT SHUN YOU.

  YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT OR ITS UPKEEP.

  ACTUALLY FOR A SMALL LAWN I WOULD GO FOR THE NEWER ELECTRIC. THE BLADE IS THE ONLY UPKEEP AND THEY ARE LIGHT AND EASY TO USE.

  WE HAVE A HUGE LAWN SO I GOT A RIDING 18 HP SEARS MOWER. IT IS GOOD AND IT IS EASY BUT IT IS SPENDY AND THERE IS A LOT OF UPKEEP.

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  Not Allowed To Enter U.S. Because of Religious Affiliation?

  by D8TA in

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  2. current

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  many people know this man and his history...his life.

  shame on the u.s., once more.. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,133095,00.html

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  I watched an interview of Cat Stephens on tv. The subject of his converting to a muslem came up. He gave a lot of reasons for his conversion.

  Then he was asked if he thought "that it was acceptable to kill infidels, non believers".

  He squirmed around and dodged the question. He would not say, that killing non believers was wrong or that he didn't accept that concept.

  Good on Home Security.

  He earned and deserved the treatment he got.

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