Posts by outoftheorg

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Is Baptism a contract?? If so, are minors able to give legal consent??

by coult9056 in

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dear friends,

i believe the judicial committee wheels are starting to turn.

let me explain why.

outoftheorg

I think I can tell you how many, if not most attorneys or judges, will react to your complaints about religion and how you were treated.

At least this I think, would be their first view of these problelms.

I approached an attorney about the df'n and how it broke up the family.

He sat quietly and listened. When I was done, he said something along the lines of, then why in hell did you let your family into that religion.

From that point on, it was plain that he wanted nothing to do with ME because he felt that I must be an idiot and deserved what I got.

I think one would almost have to find an attorney who had lived the same kind of life, to understand.

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Point out patterns that some posters have

by JH in

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minimus always puts capital letters in the titles of his threads.

rayzorblade always puts an icon in front of his threads like this .

jh changes avatar every so often...and always edits his posts

outoftheorg

Outoftheorg likes commas in his sentence.

Get that in before that little red candy man does.

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I Finally Made Him Proud!

by Amazing1914 in

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i was an elder in the mid-1980s and had been a jw for a little more than fifteen years.

while i had managed to distance myself from my worldly non-jw family, i still had enough contact to know where they all lived.

likewise, they still kept track of me.

outoftheorg

I had a similar experience with my father. He fought in the spanish american war and was what ,that time period considered a MAN.

He cursed and smoked and drank. These all frustrated my rabid jw mother. My mom wanted me to be anything but like my dad.

I recall my dad running out of the house in his long johns and chasing a guy "who we rented a house from" down the street, because he had caused my mom to yell and holler over the rent.

My dad was about 65 yrs. old at the time.

I knew that my dad felt that my moms teachings were turning me into less of a man than he wanted.

Fast forward to my dad being 76 and I am 19 yrs.

Dad has had a heart attack and I and mom get him in the car and take him to the naval hospital in San Diego Calif.

I am scared shitless and we get dad in the hospital and two male nurses or what ever, take down what we tell them about dad and his illness.

They leave us in a small room and we wait and wait and wait.

All of a sudden my dad is in severe pain. I the 19 yr. old jump up and run to the room I think they are in and confront them and some officer/doctor. I scream at them to GET OFF YOUR DEAD ASSES AND GET IN THERE. MY DAD IS HAVING ANOTHER HEART ATTACK.

Much to my surprise, they all do just that. They get in there.

My dad, the guy with all the pain, just looks at me with the biggest smile and a satisfied look on his face. Never said a word, but I saw a look of satisfaction that I was becoming a man.

He passed away the next day. The navy offered burial in "is it in rosecrans cemetary" ? any way a cemetary not all sailors got to be buried in.

My mom the rabid jw would not allow it. At the burial, unknown to my mom and all of us the navy shows up with an honor guard and presents my mom with the flag from his coffin.

She was forced to be congenial and accept it. Funny thing is she kept it for the rest of her life.

I don't know if anyone else noticed it, but both dad and I knew we had silently spoken to one another and he felt I was a man and I knew he did.

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Jehovah's Witnesses call all members family -article

by under74 in

i don't know if anyone has posted this already but i just got the e-mail.

here's a very disturbing story about jehovah's witnesses called, "jehovah's witnesses call all members family.

" it paints a very rosy picture of the organization.

outoftheorg

Hi Under74 Good Job.

I sent a small e mail with a quick explanation of my experience with the jw's and the loss of marriage and family due to their df'ing and shunning me because I would not drop the molestation of my daughter by an elder.

I hope this wakes up a few sleeping minds in that news paper .

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Opted out

by onacruse in

talking with a friend tonight, this issue came up: .

my dad has always been distant from me, to the point of clinical.

i blame him not!

outoftheorg

Well Ona. you certainly are not alone in pondering the past and relationships with parents.

My memories of my dad and mom ,cause the same thoughts you speak of and now I am getting some feedback from my children, that tells me they feel much the same way about me.

In fact I have lately come to believe that those of us who do not look at our parents this way, are few and far between.

I listen to my wife and my friends and then to their children and relatives and I hear the same questions and feelings you and I are bringing to the surface.

It would be nice to say I learned how to do better with my childen and I really did learn how.

Except it was too late in life to apply this newly aquired information.

They were all grown up or entering this stage in their lives.

Hopefully they will not pass on this same confusion to their children.

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Growing Old and Dying on the Paradise Earth

by Leolaia in

the standard watchtower teaching about the coming "paradise earth" has, as its most prominent feature, the promise of everlasting life and eternal youth.

this expectation is especially based on such texts as revelation 21:1-4 which declares: "i saw a new heaven and a new earth; the first heaven and the first earth had disappeared now, and there was no longer any sea.

i saw the holy city, and the new jerusalem, coming down from god out of heaven.... here god lives among men.

outoftheorg

Thanks Leolaia. I am glad this was all cleared up. I was rather concerned about the sea going away.

But the seven headed dragon, whose vomit causes the rivers is much more clear and understandable.

I am sorry Leolaia, I am only pulling your leg. I couldn't resist a little sarcasm here.

I appreciate your post on the mythology involved in the bible. This sort of mythology is one of a few reasons I no longer trust the bible completely.

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If This Isn't A Cult----What Is It????

by minimus in

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the organization teaches that we leave everyone and everything else behind when we join christianity (also known as the "truth").

your father, mother, brother and sister all have to be given up to become a "real" christian.

friends that you grew up that are not of the same religion must be abandoned.

outoftheorg

WHAT CAN BE MORE CONTROLING AND REVEALING ABOUT THE WBTS AND THEIR BEING DEFINED AS A CULT, THAN THE WATCHTOWER STUDY ONCE A WEEK.

THE "STUDY" CONSISTS OF READING A PARAGRAPH, SUPPLIED BY THE WBTS AND THE QUESTION, SUPPLIED BY THE WBTS AND THEN GIVE THE ANSWER BY READING THE ANSWER, SUPPLIED BY THE WBTS.

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU FOUND THE ANSWER TO BE CONDEMNING MEMBERS, FOR NOT DOING ENOUGH AND FELT GUILTY ABOUT YOUR LACK OF DOING ENOUGH?

THEN TO PLEASE OTHERS OR TO FILL THE NEED TO PARTICIPATE, YOU READ THE ANSWER AND LISTEN TO YOUR SELF CONDEMN YOUR SELF AND ALL OTHERS THAT DON'T REACH THE SUGGESTED LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION.

I STILL KICK MYSELF FOR BEING SO FOOLISH.

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Growing Old and Dying on the Paradise Earth

by Leolaia in

the standard watchtower teaching about the coming "paradise earth" has, as its most prominent feature, the promise of everlasting life and eternal youth.

this expectation is especially based on such texts as revelation 21:1-4 which declares: "i saw a new heaven and a new earth; the first heaven and the first earth had disappeared now, and there was no longer any sea.

i saw the holy city, and the new jerusalem, coming down from god out of heaven.... here god lives among men.

outoftheorg

There will be no more sea??

Wouldn't that play hell with our weather and rain/snow patterns??

No sea= no rain= no rivers.

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Where are JW's most vulnerable?

by PopeOfEruke in

what's the more effective method to try to open the dormant organ most jw's have as a brain?

is it tackling them on biblical issues and inconsistencies, for instance the "great crowd" dilemma from revelation, or the isaiah "new world" problem recently posted by leolaia?

is it the blood issue, either based on a scriptural attack or else a humanistic "value-of-life" approach?

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Where are the jw's most vulnerable??

On my front porch.

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I am new and scared

by franki in

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i am terrified to be writing this because i am officially being bad.

i am talking with other "sinners".

i do not want to be a witness.

outoftheorg

Hi Franki.

I know a little about how you are feeling. It will be a difficult time in your life. Try to calm down and just do not shower your folks with all your doubts and feelings.

They will have a hard time adopting to your newly displayed thoughts and questions.

This forum is full of people who have lived what you are going through now and all of them will be helpful.

There are a few hard cases here but most are very understanding.

Stick around, ask any question you want and vent your fears or anger any time you want.

It amazed me at how much I learned about the watchtower society that I had never known.

Especially since I was raised in this belief and in it for about 45+ years and at one time an elder.

Nice to have you here.

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