it is a mistake for former jehovah's witnesses to think that just because they are shunned by friends and family, they are no longer loved.
isn't shunning a horrible experience, one borne from twisted psychological reasoning?
mandated shunning from a powerful and misguided religious organization is a great sin against both the person shunned and those who are obliged, yes obliged, to shun them.
Any way you want to dance around it, the over concern about the organizations reputation and their lack of concern about protecting children from pedophiles and their refusal to activly work with the authorities ends up protecting the pedophile and keeping them in position to abuse again and again.
Their nonsense ends up protecting pedophiles.
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it is a mistake for former jehovah's witnesses to think that just because they are shunned by friends and family, they are no longer loved.
isn't shunning a horrible experience, one borne from twisted psychological reasoning?
mandated shunning from a powerful and misguided religious organization is a great sin against both the person shunned and those who are obliged, yes obliged, to shun them.
Wow I am surprised at the shortsided arrogance of some.
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it is a mistake for former jehovah's witnesses to think that just because they are shunned by friends and family, they are no longer loved.
isn't shunning a horrible experience, one borne from twisted psychological reasoning?
mandated shunning from a powerful and misguided religious organization is a great sin against both the person shunned and those who are obliged, yes obliged, to shun them.
I have had jw's "not family" whose actions and the expression on their face truly displayed a hatred for me.
I have had those who knew these individuals tell me that they speak of me as an evil person deserving of death.
I had "dead now" two sisters, siblings, who would go out of their way to show how glad they were to see my children and treat me as if I was not there.
I have a brother and many nieces and nephews who used to come and visit and go on vacation with.
Now they treat me as if I were dead and speak to my children about how awful and demented I must be.
Their actions and treatment of me can only come from hateful people. You can give them all the excuses you like. But it is THEIR CHOICE AND THEIR ACTIONS I am not to blame for their feelings or actions as they would like to believe.
I have had people who I had to wrestle down and club and handcuff them and take to jail, show more respect and careing for me than the shunners.
The shunner enjoys this as in a subtle and sick way. It makes them feel superior and feel as if GOD and or the wbts loves them and plans on killing me.
There is nothing loving about shunning others or being shunned. The teachings of the wbts tells the believer that this is an effort of love to bring the sinner back to the cult. Yet another sick twisted use of the human pride and longing for acceptance to control the masses.
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i shouldnt tell you all this...
you heard it right, folks.
imagine wearing that across your forehead for the rest of your "christian" life.
DAMN. HE DID ALL THAT TO YOU AND YOUR CHILD AND YOU DIDN'T SHOOT HIM DEAD???
Yeah I know how difficult things can be in the cult. It twists our right to self respect and the right to protect ourselves.
Hope things are better and will get better as time goes by.
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....................our great mate ozzie is sick in hospital.
he isn't able to post so i am the go-between for the moment.. if you want more details or contact information pm me and i will make sure it's ok with the ozzies to forward those details to you.. ozzie is a tough dude and having known him for many years i am confident he will be back on board before too long!.
please be patient with me as i work and can only check my pms in the evenings.
Here are best wishes and hope for full recovery very soon.
Can't have our Australian buddies in the hospital too long.
We need their perception from down under.
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i don't know if this is real or a joke so i will put it in the humor section.
i am thinking it is a joke but you never know these days.. http://www.dogcondoms.com/
Meat scented comdums. I can see it now. CHOMP BITE====YEOWE BARK SCREAM!!
Gotta be a gag.
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the mind is what the brain does; not who you are.
the soul is an idea that would seem to have testable consequences.
specifically, if the human mind is the product of a "ghost in the machine" and not simply the result of electrochemical interactions, then the mind should not be dependent on the physical actions of the brain that houses it.
I doubt that our brain at this stage, has the ability to thoroughly analyze itself and our mind and its functions.
If it reached the stage to do so, it would have evolved far ahead of our new brain and again not able to analyze itself.
So we settle on "beliefs". Which usually are how we wish things would be or things we would like to be.
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i wasnt the most academic of children although i had some capability but i could read quite well by the time i was 4 years old at least for my age; i have always read as a child and still read now as an adult both professionally (research) and for pleasure.
i have always been able to write too...and pretty much advanced as well as my peers did in school...perhaps i am lucky, i certainly feel like i am when illiteracy amongst adults and children is rife at present...however.. i remember when i was 16 the wts in the uk were pushing through a scheme teaching those who were not as able to read and write...and an elder in the hall made a point of coming to me and suggesting that i should actually attend the training!!
!....i explained that i could read and write well enough and didnt need to be taught basic literacy... he said that i might learn something new and should respect jehovahs order of things and show appreciation...i did decline his kind offer rather abruptly....but wtf??
THE ELDER= A MAN WITH MENTAL PROBLEMS THAT WERE OBVIOUS.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO MONITOR THE HEATING THERMOSTAT "WE WILL GIVE THIS PRIVILEGE TO SOME ONE WHO DOES".
ME=
WHY DON'T YOU DO JUST THAT.
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here's his wanted poster: .
http://www.usmarshals.gov/district/ca-s/fugitives/pdf/fm.pdf.
he's all over our local news channels this very moment, being sought by the authorities.
Hmmm
That is the area we patroled in the 1960's in San Diego county.
Don't know how it is now but then it had a lot of desolate land.
Lots of places to hide except the desert area would leave lots of tire tracts.
Not much in the way of Police presence in the 1960's in that area either.
He has almost a smirk in that smile on the wanted poster.
Put him in prison and he will lose that smirk in a hurry.
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our daughter is 10 and she is in 4th grade.
she has been having a tough time this year with schoolwork and she has started early puberty (boobs, acne, pubic hair, crushes on boys, etc.).
recently, we have been having problems with her lying to us and making up stories/excuses.
I wonder if maybe her hormonal changes during this time is having an affect on her behaviour?
Living in two families, yours and the ex is not easy. Are there children at the ex's that may be competing for her dads affection?
School is not easy either. Especially around this age. Lots of mean tempered teens both female and male. Especially at this age group.
Two families, not an easy situation. Especialy if one still jw? The other not favoring the jw's?
It would surprise me if a teenager did not have problems.
I believe that the punishment should not be too severe or maybe just talking with her and that she needs LOTS of love and affection AND recognize and PRAISE any of her achievements.
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