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  Rent vs. Buying a house

  by Elsewhere in

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  i have started thinking about buying a house again.

  something that drives me nuts is the fact that i can't seem to get a straight answer out of anyone as to whether or not owning a house would be financially better than renting an apartment.. things to take into consideration:how much i pay in rent.how much rent increases each year.how much i pay in renters insurance.how much a mortgage would be.how much pmi or an 80 / xx mortgage would be.how much i would have to take from or borrow from my 401ks and iras for a down payment.how much i will have to pay in penalties for taking money from my 401ks and iras.how much money l will loose by not having that 401k money earning interest.how much maintenance on the property will cost.how much insurance will cost.how much i will be paying in property taxes.how much in "freebies" i will get from the seller (they will pay $xxx in closing costs if i use their mortgage company).other crap i haven't thought of yet.. it seems like everyone i talk to has their own agenda and they all give me different results based on they want me to do so they will get more money from me.

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  outoftheorg

  Usually property is a good investment in itself.

  Almost all of the costs for insurance etc. when you own a house,are also there if you are renting.

  Property can increase in worth just like 401k's also,there is some risk involved as either one may become a loss.

  But I believe that property is more stable.I also believe that a retirement fund is necessary and important.

  The hard point is finding property at a good price and that is in a location that will see an increase in the value of this property as time goes by.

  If you can find the right realtor or better yet an investment counselor they may be of some help.

  I have never lost money on any property I have owned. It was always worth more than I paid for it after a few years passed.

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  Lets say you went to a meeting, list what would irritiate you...

  by JH in

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  in my case, it was always the length of the meetings that bothered me.. no matter what meeting it is, you have to get there prepared, and that means lots of time reading the darn literature.. another thing that would irritate me, is all the magazines that come in faster than i can read.. i'll let you guys add to this list.. .

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  At this point in my life??

  Just being there would irritate the hell out of me.

  All of it, every bit of it, sucks.

  Even if they are preaching something useful, it is delivered in a way that would irritate me.

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  SHUNNED FATHER DEATHSUIT AGAINST THE WATCHTOWER - UPDATE

  by SHUNNED FATHER in

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  the name of the trust fund is save the children.

  the cheques should be made out to: save the children and mailed to:.

  save the children.

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  outoftheorg

  
  IW knows too many facts or makes up too many to be just another poster on this forum.

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  Dansk (Ian) --- Not doing as well as could be hoped

  by Alleymom in

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  hi, friends ---.

  just a note to let you know ian has had a setback.

  there is a problem with his kidneys and he had to have a catheter inserted.

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  outoftheorg

  Best wishes and you are in our thoughts. ((((((((((((( Ian ))))))))))))))

  My wife is ill also, so I know what you are going through at least to some degree.

  There are lots of people here sending their prayers and positive thoughts.

  Outoftheorg and Donna
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  May 15 WT - Survival depends on loyal association with the organization

  by truthseeker in

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  with the recent wt articles stressing how "new light" has appeared over the decades, this article is geared towards making sure individuals are active within the organization in order to ensure their survival.. this article is taken from e-watchman's discussion board, this is not my article.. .

  http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1019&st=0.

  just got a hold of the new may 15, 2006 watchtower containing the study article, "are you prepared for survival?

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  So the wbts wants us to stay close to the life giving sap.

  Well they are correct in one word and that is the SAP.

  In the US the word SAP can also describe a person that is not all there or is idiotic in their actions and beliefs.

  Usually used in the phrase "what a sap"

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  Looking for some guidance from those who have been there!

  by disowned&alone in

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  i was so excited to come upon this website today!

  it's so nice to read logical, educated voices who have been brave enough to walk away from this organization.

  i was raised a jw, and every person that i personally know that has left has ended up miserable.

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  Well for me it took a while. I lost any trust in the wbts due to the way they treated people and the hypocricy I saw in the co's and other elders in their rather group meetings.

  But still had the feelings at times that you describe.

  Then I found this forum and learned that there are people here that actually lived in bethel or had taken the time to really compare the jw's teachings with the bible and especially, those who had taken the time to educate them selves regarding religion and history.

  Then step by step I destroyed each and every jw teachings in my mind one by one.

  The good teachings like good morals and honesty that are also taught in society in many ways I of course kept.

  When I was really convinced that I had enough information to throw out the ridiculous and there are many, it all seemed to come together that even though the wbts does teach some useful things, that I can find them almost any where and I no longer had to keep anything from the wbts in my mind or thoughts.

  That they really deserved complete removal from me and my life.

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  Ways to get disfellowshipped??

  by beautifulisfree in

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  i am looking for a creative or a usaul way to get my turn at being disfellowshipped.

  i was a witness that married a 'worldly' guy.

  so, basically i can do anything i want and not get disfellowshipped.

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  OK so you want to get df'd.

  Pick out the elder that is a real idiot. One you do not like . You do not like him or his family.

  Go to the elders and confess that you had a year long affair with this idiot.

  You might even get your hubby to help by telling him to tell the elders the same story even though your hubby knows it is not true.

  You know, spiritual warfare and all that.

  WHAT??? you think I went too far???

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  The cancer has changed my wife

  by outoftheorg in

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  we found out that she has pancreatic cancer that has spread to the liver and blood vessels.

  she opted for chemo.

  although we have good insurance, we still have to pay quite a bit towards the $17000.00 bill every three weeks for treatment.

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  KaPut

  blood root and laetril etc is the herbel capsules she is now trying. Lets hope it works.

  Thanks for your interest.

  Outoftheorg
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  The cancer has changed my wife

  by outoftheorg in

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  we found out that she has pancreatic cancer that has spread to the liver and blood vessels.

  she opted for chemo.

  although we have good insurance, we still have to pay quite a bit towards the $17000.00 bill every three weeks for treatment.

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  Thanks to you all for your kind words and help.

  Donna was really impressed that so many offered to keep her in their prayers. It means a lot to her.

  Donna was the manager of the local home health group and has friends there. We will contact Hospice shortly. Actually they have contacted us and we will get back to them. Through them I think there are others trained to help us emotionally and take over when the load gets too heavy for me. I have gone to one self help group and they were very disturbed and I found myself helping them.

  Maybe that is the way it works. This feeling of helpless and frustration is awful and I see it in myself and Donna. Then there is the constant thought that returns " goddamn it I finally found a kind loving one with no cult hangups and It only lasts for 9 or 10 yrs." then I loose her.

  Well I have gone through an unbelievable lot of shit in my life. I guess I can live through this also.

  Thanks again and I really do consider all your suggestions. Every little bit helps.

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  The cancer has changed my wife

  by outoftheorg in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  we found out that she has pancreatic cancer that has spread to the liver and blood vessels.

  she opted for chemo.

  although we have good insurance, we still have to pay quite a bit towards the $17000.00 bill every three weeks for treatment.

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  outoftheorg

  Thanks to Wednesday and Luna also . I almost missed you since my memory is, well you know, I was complaining about it before.

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