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Well today is the day

by outoftheorg in

today at 3 pm i will take donna to the hospital for her examination.she is putting up a good front but i can tell that she is really scared about the possible outcome.. being a nurse for years, one gathers up a lot of knowledge and she does know a lot about the body and its failures.. she is scared and i am terrified.

her three sons and family will be there also.

so i won't be alone.. my few children in this area are still jw's and do not give a crap about me or donna being ill.. so they won't be there.

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Today at 3 pm I will take Donna to the hospital for her examination.She is putting up a good front but I can tell that she is really scared about the possible outcome.

Being a nurse for years, one gathers up a lot of knowledge and she does know a lot about the body and its failures.

She is scared and I am terrified. Her three sons and family will be there also. So I won't be alone.

My few children in this area are still jw's and do not give a crap about me or Donna being ill.

So they won't be there. My other children that are not jw's live so far away they can't come quickly.

Please keep us in your mind and send some good vibes and or prayers for us.

Outoftheorg

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Name a person you admire for any reason

by JH in

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it can be family or a stranger, just anyone you admire for some reason.

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I read this subject and one man popped in to my mind.

His name was Johnny Hansson. He had started a business about 3 years before.

When I turned 17 my father had died and I had to get a job quickly. I had a sister and a mother to look after.

I quit school early and got a job from this man. I started out picking up and delivering auto and truck parts. I didn't realize it at first, actually for a long time, that this man was educating me. In what is needed to run a business.

After about 5 years he gave me the job of MANAGER! I worked for him for 17 years and we then parted ways. I learned later it was a mistake.

For a long time he would invite me back, in very subtle ways. Sometimes I would not realize this for maybe months.

I came to believe that in some way I was to him, the son he never had. For me I am sure he was the father I no longer had.

He was the epitome of a GOOD MAN. I am sure he is missed. I know I miss him.

Today if you use google and Johnny Hanson or Hanson Motor Supply you will learn a little of him and the business that I had a little hand in starting.

He passed away several years ago and I think of him from time to time and miss him a lot.

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Can a person get Disfellowshipped for cursing out the elders?

by booker-t in

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i remember years ago a my cousin was being "harrassed" by the elders in her hall about not going out in field service, being "wild" etc; my cousin was only 20 years old at the time and i think she just wanted to have some fun in her youth.

my aunt who has been a jw's for over 40 years was extremely strict on my young cousin.

i think my cousin just could not take it anymore so when the elders called her in for a committe meeting for the upteen time my cousin told me she just snapped and cursed all four of the elders out.

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OH YEAH They sure can and often do.

When my daughter told me of her molestation at the hands of an elder, "her uncle" by marriage.

I went to the elders and the police. The statute of limitation had expired so I depended on the elders. When wbts leagal desk said to drop it, I told the elders they needed the s**t kicked out of them, it was quickly told to the elders in my cong.

I could tell they were out to get me, it was pretty clear by their actions. After I got tired enough of their conduct and pissed me off I told them what I thought of them.

I got the big df because of "fits of rage". They were right for once. I was truly enraged at the whole jw do nothing way of life, when it came to pedophiles.

About 12 yrs later the pedophile was finally df'd. Who knows how many more little girls were abused.

Strangly enough it was the pedophile's own daughter this time that told the elders, that so many sisters complained about him, that they ought to look into this again.

I have often wondered if maybe he had also abused her and this was why she squealed on him.

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Attention: Former Elders

by MsMcDucket in

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my children are shunning me because the dubs told them too.

the scriptural reason they gave my children is that you're supposed to love jehovah above all else.

and the one about not speaking to a man who has turned from the road of righteousness (sp?)..

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Sheepish, I do not know Garry as we have never met. But I must say that I also share his feelings on this shunning issue.

I look at it this way. This cult caused my siblings to shun me. The cult demands that my siblings shun me or face cult action against them. They and my siblings try to make me believe that this is due to my "wrong conduct".

My siblings were not the target nor did they receive this "wrong conduct". My wrong conduct was disagreeing with the cult about my daughters molestation by an elder and my subsequent anger at the cult.

I really have not sinned or broken any social rules regarding my siblings. Why are they punishing me?

Is this to be short lived or life long? Is it correct or incorrect actions from my siblings?

Do I spend the rest of my life feeling grief and sadness due to my siblings conduct. Why would I let a neighbor bring this into my life. I would never do that.

Why should I allow my siblings to do to me what I would never let anyone else do? I would DETATCH from my neighbor, why endure this from unloving relatives.

Do we try to please the hateful neighbor and hope for some kindness down the road? NO we might call the police, go to court, or move away.

The human mind can only deal with emotional and mental tyranny for a while before we begin to suffer emotionally and physically.

Why would I want this emotional turmoil and sadness in my life?

The word detatch is one of the most used words in psychology, because removing ourselves from situations like this Is one of the most dealt with problems the psychs see in people.

Detatching and moving along in life and living a good and successful life is one of the most effective ways of letting the relatives or others see you are happy, healthy, pleasant, helpful, honest and none of the things the cult scares them with.

Everything we do and your relatives do has to have some kind of payback for us or we would not do it, unless we are mentally weak.

When your relatives see that their shunning is not affecting you, they lose some of their payback.

AS long as you allow them to hurt you, they are getting their payback of "superiority".

You know what that is. The brother holier than thou syndrome.

But we each and all have to do our own searching and decissions. So I wish you the best.

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KLEENEX RETENTION AND RESULTS

by kid-A in

i have never heard of this before, but i think it is worth knowing.

i have come across a rather strange story.

yes it is legitimate and some details are left out to protect this persons identity.

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My God!!!

I can see it all now.

Nose Ears Rectum Penis??

Outoftheorg What did I start?????

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For former elders: Did having the authority to DF make you feel powerful?

by juni in

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just curious about this.

do you realize now what the shunning practice does to a person's emotional health?

to shun or isolate a human being is one of if not the worst punishment.

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My time as an elder was short, about 2 yrs., confusing and irritating and above all revealing. Powerful?? No never. Just another load I never wanted.

Little man elder " an old tyrant" tells me I should be an elder. I tell little man that I do not feel that I qualify.

Little man says that there are the sins of comission and omission and to refuse the offer is a sin of omission. Ya can't win these debates, so I reluctantly joined the "in crowd".

This is where the revelations began to fill my little brain. #1 little man thought he was in charge of "everything". #2 was he was a tyrant. #3 the other elders were afraid of him. #4 everyone was afraid of the CO AND DO. #5 they were tyrants also. #6 common sense was not allowed. #7 a "FEW' elders were ok but shouted down by little man and his clowns, #8 some elders didn't want justice, they wanted to wield power.

A job offer comes from another state. One I would be a fool to not take. The elder body writes a letter of acceptance as an elder to be taken to the new congregation. Little man refuses to sign it and claims that I was not service minded enough. I had several children and supporting my aged mother and this dope wants more time in service.

The CO overrides him on a technicality. He neglected to tell me of his feelings about being service minded as he ought to have.

Arrive at new city and a local elder comes to me before the furniture is out of the truck. With a very urgent and important message.

The elders in the new congregation are at odds and divided. The congregation is disintigrating.

The issue is about some very old and useless seats from an old theater that one of the two sides had taken to the dump. Without the other sides permission.

My God what an evil destructive thing to do. Is how this elder felt. Oh shit not again, is how I felt.

I thought things out and told this NEW divided set of elders. I no longer want to be an elder and I STEPPED DOWN. dontcha like that stepped down thing?

This was so devastating to the elder that was FIRST at my house, that he left town and moved to Utah.

Find this all hard to believe?? I did, but it is all true.

My life as an elder. all copyrights etc. in force. HA HA

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Attention: Former Elders

by MsMcDucket in

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my children are shunning me because the dubs told them too.

the scriptural reason they gave my children is that you're supposed to love jehovah above all else.

and the one about not speaking to a man who has turned from the road of righteousness (sp?)..

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Ya want to know what I think on this subject????

I'll make it easy for you.

Read Gary's posts a couple of times again.

It is exactly what I did and I do.

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TAMPON RETENTION & RESULTS

by outoftheorg in

i have never heard of this before, but i think it is worth knowing.. i have come across a rather strange story.

yes it is legitimate and some details are left out to protect this persons identity.. this lady is having problems in her feet and hands.

the doctors find that gangrene is setting in.. it is decided that the legs up to the knees must be removed to stop the spread of septic infection.. the fingers are also to be removed because the infections are starting in the extremities.. it is discovered that a tampon has been left in the vagina for a long time.

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Flying hi now.

No it is not an urban legend. It is an illness in process as we speak.

It is happening in the hospital in which my wife works.

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2,000 US and 25,000 civilians now dead in Iraq

by Simon in

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what a waste .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4376812.stm.

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This thread is quite amusing in its own way.

At one time in the past I was talking to a guy who had been in the navy. He was ivolved in naval intelligence.

We were, or at least I was, bringing up some of the same subjects so hotly thrown on each other here on this thread. With such knowledge and conviction.

He smothered my, "I thought impresive comments" like the comments and posters here are doing.

He did it with one sentence. He said, P*** if you knew only one half of the plans and actions taking place in each and every nation on this world, that is of "any significance", YOU WOULD SHIT YOUR PANTS. Now don't ask me any more questions.

I guess that is two sentences.

I never asked him any more questions about his service.

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Minimus Is Demonized

by minimus in

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i posted this on a different thread regarding my mother but her sister (my aunt) told her that because i left the "truth" and am living my life outside of bible principles, that the "demons" are affecting her.

she told my mom that twice last week, "the demons pushed her" and caused her to fall.

because my mother associates with me and my mom associates with her sister----therefore the "contact" is made thru my mother to her.

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Here is a good one for ya Minimus.

I was friends with a very nice, otherwise intelligent man, except for the jw beliefs. He was an electrition and owned and flew his own small plane to large distant jobs.

One time he described what I would call "sleep paralysis". He involved the elders and they set out on a search for the thing bringing demons to his house.

They looked and looked and threw this and that away.

Finally he recalled that he had recently bought a used tire for his pickup.

The elders had him remove it and take to the trash dump.

He tells me that the demons visits stopped and no amount of discussing this with him, would change an other wise good mind and brain from this nonsense

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