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  The boys in Pennsylvania- The real power behind Watchtower

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
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  i am quite interested in something mike and kim said in their video when talking about why their you tube videos are being taken down.

  in their video below, at around 35 seconds.

  mike say's that he has being trying to tell people that the boys in pennsylvania are the real power behind watchtower - not the governing body?.

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  UnshackleTheChains

  Here's a great conspiracy theory

  CRISIS OF CONSCIENCE
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  The boys in Pennsylvania- The real power behind Watchtower

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am quite interested in something mike and kim said in their video when talking about why their you tube videos are being taken down.

  in their video below, at around 35 seconds.

  mike say's that he has being trying to tell people that the boys in pennsylvania are the real power behind watchtower - not the governing body?.

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  UnshackleTheChains

  Your conspiracies are getting so ignorant foolish, there are no words for it. You don't listen to people who have been there, know members etc. but just keep on writing like headless chickens

  Thank you, thank you, thank you............Fulano for shedding light on the foolishness that seems to get worse by the day. It's getting harder to carry on an intelligent discussion on this forum. But it does make for good entertainment.

  Oh dear...it looks like a few feathers have been ruffled!!!
  
  
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  Watchtower policies Versus the Bible

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
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  i thought i would run a new kind of topic.

  watchtower policies versus the bible .

  to start off with.

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  A judicial committee takes place behind closed doors. With no representation for the accused. No witnesses allowed. And the three elders act as judge, jury and executioner.

  And yet, in Watchtower April 1st, 2011:

  The Law that Moses delivered to Israel has been called “the greatest and most enlightened system of jurisprudence ever promulgated.” By Jesus’ day, however, legalistically minded rabbis had added to it a mass of extra-Biblical rules, many of which were later recorded in the Talmud. How did Jesus’ trial measure up to these Biblical and extra-Biblical criteria?

  According to the Mosaic Law, trials were to be held in public. (Deuteronomy 16:18; Ruth 4:1) This, on the other hand, was a secret trial. No one attempted to or was allowed to speak in Jesus’ favor. No examination was made of the merits of Jesus’ claim to Messiahship. Jesus had no opportunity to summon witnesses for his defense. There was no orderly voting among the judges as to guilt or innocence

  Pale emporer

  Thanks for highlighting the above. You would think the GB would take on board what their own writing department reveals from the bible; look at their own back yard and adjust things accordingly 🙄
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  The boys in Pennsylvania- The real power behind Watchtower

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am quite interested in something mike and kim said in their video when talking about why their you tube videos are being taken down.

  in their video below, at around 35 seconds.

  mike say's that he has being trying to tell people that the boys in pennsylvania are the real power behind watchtower - not the governing body?.

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  UnshackleTheChains

  Anyone else notice how depressed/defeated the GB sounded? Tony Morris, especially. Really just "over it", in my opinion

  Yes exactly. Tone of voice is a revealer. He sounds so dour. The guy needs to get his 'leotards' on and run from the tower.
  
  
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  Watchtower policies Versus the Bible

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought i would run a new kind of topic.

  watchtower policies versus the bible .

  to start off with.

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  JW teaching, study 2 books, go through questions with elders and then get approved for baptism

  Zophar

  Yep. In jdubland, you gotta jump through hoops on many things. Strict rules that prevent individuals from moving on or at least slows down their progress. It even puts 'many' off.

  It reminds me of the scripture where Jesus accused the religious leaders of his day of shutting up the kingdom before men.

  JWs have unwittingly sided with the older son of the parable
  

  Venus

  Yep....the GB are like the older brother. Their policy -- 'He wants to come back to our organisation, let him stew first for a year or so. Forget the fattened calf and the red carpet treatment. Bah Humbug'

  Such a policy is indicative of a serious lack of trust toward those who simply want to repent. It fly's in the face of Christian love.
  
  
  
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  The boys in Pennsylvania- The real power behind Watchtower

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am quite interested in something mike and kim said in their video when talking about why their you tube videos are being taken down.

  in their video below, at around 35 seconds.

  mike say's that he has being trying to tell people that the boys in pennsylvania are the real power behind watchtower - not the governing body?.

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  UnshackleTheChains

  Sorry. Had to raise this thread again. It's just that it relates to what the op says. A friend of mine drew my attention to mikeys latest video about the AGM. Video below.

  What I found extraordinary was GB member Geoff Jackson's details about dinner arrangements. If you watch from around 43 minutes. You will hear very clearly how he explains that 'Corporate members AND their guests' have dinner separately!! Again this adds a lot of credibility to Mikes reference to the 'boys in Pennsylvania'

  With everything going on with changes, cut backs, law suits etc. I am sure there will be plenty of discussion around Watchtowers financial situation. I wonder if God's word will be used?

  Would love to have been a fly on that wall. 🤐

  https://youtu.be/dWQuRcLlVMM
  
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  The Watchtower's Real Crisis

  by JeffT in

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  when discussing the watchtowers financial problems, i've generally been of the opinion that they probably are not in a real financial crisis.

  i've come to believe that money may be something of an issue, but its wrapped up in a much larger problem.

  this came to me this morning when reading about the annual meeting.. i think the society's leadership is just plain out of ideas.

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  Hey JeffT,

  I beg to differ, I think the GB are knocking out some great ideas at the moment 😝
  
  https://youtu.be/SjHMev8S8DA

  
  
  https://youtu.be/_YmXWtwCyt8
  
  
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  Did Jesus pre exist? Yes or no?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when i first became a witness, i always found the teaching about jesus being the arch angel michael hard to swallow.

  i did however believe that jesus pre existed as a master worker alongside god (the first of his creation).. but now everything is brought into question having watched anthony buzzard explain why jesus could not have pre existed as it is impossible to pre exist yourself.

  also the fact that it all sounds contradictory to suggest, he was already alive millions of years before he was transferred to mary's womb to be born as a human - the son of man?.

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  UnshackleTheChains

  Is Antony Buzzard saying, in effect, that " the word" was God's plan? That Jesus *did not* exist before he was begotten in Mary's womb. That he was part of GOD.

  Diogenesister

  Yes. To answer your question, Anthony Buzzard appears to be referring to the word as Gods 'overall plan' (not the son). God used characters like Abraham, Moses, David, the prophets etc to promote that plan for the earth.

  God's beloved son 'jesus Christ' who was literally the son of man (born of a human -Mary, conceived by God's holy spirit) was the culmination of that plan for the earth, to take away sin and reign as king of kings.

  If you watch the very first video in the op, Anthony Buzzard explains it really well.

  Thanks for all your replies.

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  Watchtower policies Versus the Bible

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought i would run a new kind of topic.

  watchtower policies versus the bible .

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  UnshackleTheChains

  I thought I would run a new kind of topic.

  Watchtower policies versus the bible

  To start off with. Let's say someone is wanting to come back to God having been disfellowshipped for a numbers of years. Let's say they had lived with a partner outside of marriage for a number of years. They wish to come back to God, repent and make amends.

  Below is a section taken from the flock book under the subheading 'Reinstatement'. Following this is the 'lesson' Jesus gave about the prodigal son

  See if you can spot the difference!

  Shepherd the flock of God

  3. The committee should be careful to allow sufficient time, perhaps many months, a year, or even longer, for the disfellowshipped person to prove that his profession of repentance is genuine. (od p. 156j it-2 p. 771) The committee should be especially cautious in some cases. For instance, the wrongdoer may have been deceptive, may have secretly practiced wrongdoing over a long period of time, or may have been repeatedly dealt with judicially in the past for the same or other wrongdoing. Quickly reinstating such a person may embolden others to commit serious sin, as they may feel that little or no discipline will be administered. Where there is evidence of conspiracy between individuals to put away their mates and marry each other, considerable time should elapse for them to prove their repentance and gain reinstatement.-w83 3/15 p. 29.

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  Luke 15:11-32English Standard Version (ESV)

  The Parable of the Prodigal Son

  11 And he said, “There was a man who had two sons. 12 And the younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of property that is coming to me.’ And he divided his property between them. 13 Not many days later, the younger son gathered all he had and took a journey into a far country, and there he squandered his property in reckless living. 14 And when he had spent everything, a severe famine arose in that country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out to[a] one of the citizens of that country, who sent him into his fields to feed pigs.16 And he was longing to be fed with the pods that the pigs ate, and no one gave him anything.

  17 “But when he came to himself, he said, ‘How many of my father's hired servants have more than enough bread, but I perish here with hunger! 18 I will arise and go to my father, and I will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Treat me as one of your hired servants.”’ 20 And he arose and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion, and ran and embraced him and kissed him. 21 And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’[b] 22 But the father said to his servants,[c] ‘Bring quickly the best robe, and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet. 23 And bring the fattened calf and kill it, and let us eat and celebrate. 24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.’ And they began to celebrate.

  25 “Now his older son was in the field, and as he came and drew near to the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 And he called one of the servants and asked what these things meant. 27 And he said to him, ‘Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fattened calf, because he has received him back safe and sound.’28 But he was angry and refused to go in. His father came out and entreated him,29 but he answered his father, ‘Look, these many years I have served you, and I never disobeyed your command, yet you never gave me a young goat, that I might celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours came, who has devoured your property with prostitutes, you killed the fattened calf for him!’ 31 And he said to him, ‘Son, you are always with me, and all that is mine is yours. 32 It was fitting to celebrate and be glad, for this your brother was dead, and is alive; he was lost, and is found.’”
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  What was the biggest thing that convinced you that

  by Ponyo in

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  .....the truth was not the truth... ?

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  Revelation-its grand climax at hand

  I remember this book ringing so many alarm bells in my head. I looked so forward to reading this book only to find myself having some serious nagging doubts afterwards.