Posts by JakeM2012

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This morning I emailed my Mother and completed Bared My Soul!

by iclone in

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JakeM2012

Great letter, I can appreciate your frustration. Personally, I think this could be the key for captives to unlock the trance. However, rank and file jw's must appreciate the advice from the legal department to not encourage or discourage notifying appropriate authorities. I believe that many are still in disbelief that the WTBTS would even attempt to cover this conduct up. I have spoke with my wife who has not attended a meeting in years, and she asked "why do you think the elders would cover this up" more or less?

I think that there are some "company" men that would do whatever they were told by the lawyers. I think there are also elders that probably did what they were told to do but did not like the limitations of informing others be it the congregation or the legal authorities. I think that the herd attitude has exasperated this situation along with alot of old school ideas as many are present today. The threat of doing what the legal department said or lose your "privileges" is also a threat. Some "elders" just can't live without a title. But hey, if you are janitor or window washer where else can you go and receive the perceived respect than the local congregation of jw/s.

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Any suggestions on handling financial abuse of a senior by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?

by Balaamsass in

does anyone here have any suggestions on handling financial abuse of a senior by the watchtower bible and tract society?

mom gave a lot of money to the watchtower bible and tract society over her lifetime- (6 figures).

after she ran low on funds she made a 5 figure "conditional loan" to wtb&ts.

JakeM2012

Bumping, years ago an elderly brother loaned some money to wt. He wrote that he wanted it back. They sent him a form to sign that said the loan was paid off but there was NOT a check. This older brother was sharp, got a savvy business man who also was a local elder and the elder wrote letters that he had not been paid. How can he sign the letter? They replied that they did not want to release the funds unless they had a signature. The elder wrote back to wt and said send the letter and the check to us and we will make sure that the transaction takes place and that you have your signiture.

Looking back on this and seeing how this is a continual problem and that you will never read a letter to the BOE about. The slaugtering of the sheep continues.

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How do you think the W.T.S will spin the Candace Conti case to the R&F???

by karter in

the cats well and truly out of the bag and even the r&f are all going to know about it soon.. .

will they blame her?.

blame satan?.

JakeM2012

"There is a big difference, however, which might upset WTS calculations: the Internet. People no longer depend on hard copy newspaper, magazines, and pamphlets for information. They are also turning less and less to telvised news programs. The Internet has emerged as the preferred news source for many, especially the younger generation."

Interesting when a new technology makes old technology obsolete. Business plans are trashed, happens all the time.

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Those who WERE or ARE Elders (Re: Molestation Coverup)

by dontplaceliterature in

i'd like to hear from those who are currently elders or were formerly elders on your honest feelings about the charges brought against the society and their general policy in handling these matters.

do you think that the society handles child abuse accusations fairly?

or, do you think their policy is abusive?

JakeM2012

I don't remember a case of child abuse. I think their policy is obvious inadequate to protect children.

In one congregation a brother was arrested, convicted, and sent to prison for being a serial rapist. Duct tape and ski mask stuff. He was privately reproved by his congregation. My dad called and asked his PO what they were going to do with A-n-H, and the elder was upset. "How did you find out about it"? "I read it in the newspaper today." Years later he was appointed a MS and he didn't even have to move. We just rolled our eyes. When the BOE letter was sent in 98? about making a list of child molesters, we asked about reporting a serial rapist. CO said, "NO, just child molesters".

Elders School was practically 2 days of speakers reading off a manuscript continually saying "don't write anything to them about a specific case; and call the legal department, call the legal department, call the legal department". Oh, couldn't use a cell phone at that time either.

One brother after the elders school said "what wonderful new light from the governing body." I asked why did he feel that the governing body was leading when they continually said "call the legal department"? The lawyers and real estate agents are running the show.

I hope this is a wake up call before more children are ruined.

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From a currently serving elder: an open letter to the organization

by elderelite in

there are 1000's who who hate this religion who are stuck ....inside it.

we work against you, we use our position to convince and sway those that still drink your koolaid.

we feed info to authorities who chase you, we warn off potiential converts by directing them to the real truth.

JakeM2012

Butch Cassidy : "Don't sugarcoat it like that, Kid. Tell her straight."

Thanks for the post, keeps getting better every time I read it.

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From a currently serving elder: an open letter to the organization

by elderelite in

there are 1000's who who hate this religion who are stuck ....inside it.

we work against you, we use our position to convince and sway those that still drink your koolaid.

we feed info to authorities who chase you, we warn off potiential converts by directing them to the real truth.

JakeM2012

I got to the point that I could not let the younger (next) generation who I had a good repoire with would look to me as an example. Just the evidence that there are witnesses around for 50 years in the hall is too much encouragement for a young person. One circuit assembly they had parts about the youths giving up higher education and had several talk about their decision. They both sounded like that's not what they wanted to do but they were made to do it. I wanted to go to them privately and say go back to school before it is too late.

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"NEW" Disfellowshipping Stance?

by integ in

JakeM2012

This is predictable, circle the wagons, get more secretive, make statements that you are for satan or for God, and that every decision is black or white, eventually move up state and drink some kool-aid.

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From a currently serving elder: an open letter to the organization

by elderelite in

there are 1000's who who hate this religion who are stuck ....inside it.

we work against you, we use our position to convince and sway those that still drink your koolaid.

we feed info to authorities who chase you, we warn off potiential converts by directing them to the real truth.

JakeM2012

I did, as Knorr would say, "some of the things" you commented on. The last year that I can remember service, there was a young father working for $8.00 an hour who was feeding it to the CO during the car ride that he wanted to become a pioneer. I waited until the young father and I were out of the car and told him in a nice way, that he had no business pioneering and that he should work to support his family. He later thanked me and his family still communicates with mine.

Nice list of stuff to do. I would agree, that they are doing a very good job of tearing themselves down without our help. Gamaliel said something that if the work of Jesus was from God don't mess with it, but if it was from men, it would eventually end. Same applies to modern wt.

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Reduction of Announcements

by wisdomfrombelow in

starting the week of september 3rd they will cease having local announcement as part of the service meeting.

is there going to be a much reduction of the letters sent to the congregation?

will everyone be expected to read the bulletin board to know what is going on?

JakeM2012

I used to love being assigned the second or third part on the service meeting and the brother giving the announcements would read several letters, still list who is cleaning the KH, who is mowing, report you time, CO visiting and meals, etc. already take up his 5 or 10 minutes, comment about how he was running overtime and then plow right ahead with two presentations of the wt and awake which took another 6 minutes. I would get up on the stage and introduce the title of the part, and say, "Well, it's time to close our meeting, please stand and sing song number xx". And then I would pray and thank Jehovah that the meeting was OVER!

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when the truth cannot speak truth (read this Brooklyn and lurkers)

by Aussie Oz in

jw
friends

the whole court victory of candace brings into sharp focus the fundamental flaw with the jehovah's witnesses, and one that all jws need to think on because it has absolutely nothing to do with 'apostate' teachings, their cherished doctrines or persecution.. when the truth can no longer speak the truth, it has become the lie.. it should be obvious (but will not be) to all jws that the watchtower society, its leaders and any other entity related to it, are not able to morally defend their position.

being unwilling to own up and publicly admit the policies on abuse perpertrators has been deliberatly flawed, that they have failed the children and families demonstrates they can no longer speak truth.. that they cannot apologise says they cannot speak truth, that they would appeal a court of law for chastising them by awarding such a payout says they cannot speak truth.. that the governing body hide behind a legal corporation and its legal department says they cannot speak truth, for the truth is out.

the truth is that their 'signed' policy letters to elders detailing instructions on how to comply with laws while not really complying, on how to destroy documents and how to draw up new lists after removing names are now in the public domain like it or not.

JakeM2012

Aussie Oz,

"Don't sugar coat it like that Kid, tell her straight". (Butch Cassidy)