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  Help settle some very specific questions!

  by Shepherd Book in

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  first: do the watchtower calendars say "share in field ministry" on every saturday or "share in the field ministry"?

  ) and what's the difference?.

  the society sometimes calimed certain members referred to them as "mama," since they're (cough cough) god's wife-like organization.

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  Crazy Old "Mother"

  There's a reason we lock them away.
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  Hej :) I am new here from Denmark as a member

  by rikissalur in

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  Welcome DenmarkRik:) Tell us about your journey.
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  Just received a phone call from bethel overseer and guess what?

  by label licker in

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  him and another brother will be in our neck of the woods tomorrow from bethel which is and hours drive away and would like to know if i could meet them downtown.

  i will be bringing with me the transcript to my jc but not the recording.

  although there's names on the papers there's no recorded voices or my signature so there's nothing they can do as far as sueing me, right?

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  Interesting developments. I was curious about the legality of recording conversations. I thought the article below was interesting. (I apologize to those that hate copy and paste post.) The bottom line that I see is that if you are not party to the conversation, you have no right to record it. However, if you are involved in the conversation you have a right to record it, even without the other parties consent. Many states still maintain laws with one party consenting. This party could be yourself if you are involved in the conversation. Although some states do have two party consents if it is to be used legally.

  The link for below: http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/recording-phone-calls-and-conversations

  Recording Phone Calls and Conversations

  If you plan to record telephone calls or in-person conversations (including by recording video that captures sound), you should be aware that there are federal and state wiretapping laws that may limit your ability to do so. These laws not only expose you to the risk of criminal prosecution, but also potentially give an injured party a civil claim for money damagesagainst you.

  From a legal standpoint, the most important question in the recording context is whether you must get consent from one or all of the parties to a phone call or conversation before recording it. Federal law and many state wiretapping statutes permit recording if one party (including you) to the phone call or conversation consents. Other states require that all parties to the communication consent.

  Unfortunately, it is not always easy to tell which law applies to a communication, especially a phone call. For example, if you and the person you are recording are in different states, then it is difficult to say in advance whether federal or state law applies, and if state law applies which of the two (or more) relevant state laws will control the situation. Therefore, if you record a phone call with participants in more than one state, it is best to play it safe and get the consent of all parties. However, when you and the person you are recording are both located in the same state, then you can rely with greater certainty on the law of that state. In some states, this will mean that you can record with the consent of one party to the communication. In others, you will still need to get everyone's consent. For details on the wiretapping laws in the fifteen most populous U.S. states and the District of Columbia, see the State Law: Recordingsection. In any event, it never hurts to play it safe and get the consent of all parties to a phone call or conversation that you intend to record.

  Who must give permission to record a telephone or in-person conversation?

  Federal law permits recording telephone calls and in-person conversations with the consent of at least one of the parties. See 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(d). This is called a "one-party consent" law. Under a one-party consent law, you can record a phone call or conversation so long as you are a party to the conversation. Furthermore, if you are not a party to the conversation, a "one-party consent" law will allow you to record the conversation or phone call so long as your source consents and has full knowledge that the communication will be recorded.

  In addition to federal law, thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia have adopted "one-party consent" laws and permit individuals to record phone calls and conversations to which they are a party or when one party to the communication consents. See the State Law: Recording section of this legal guide for information on state wiretapping laws.

  When must you get permission from everyone involved before recording?

  Twelve states require the consent of every party to a phone call or conversation in order to make the recording lawful. These "two-party consent" laws have been adopted in California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington (Hawai'i is also in general a one-party state, but requires two-party consent if the recording device is installed in a private place). Although they are referred to as "two-party consent" laws, consent must be obtained from every party to a phone call or conversation if it involves more than two people. In some of these states, it might be enough if all parties to the call or conversation know that you are recording and proceed with the communication anyway, even if they do not voice explicit consent. See the State Law: Recording section of this legal guide for information on specific states' wiretapping laws.

  Can you record a phone call or conversation when you do not have consent from one of the parties?

  Regardless of whether state or federal law governs the situation, it is almost always illegal to record a phone call or private conversation to which you are not a party, do not have consent from at least one party, and could not naturally overhear. In addition, federal and many state laws do not permit you to surreptitiously place a bug or recording device on a person or telephone, in a home, office or restaurant to secretly record a conversation between two people who have not consented.

  Federal law and most state statutes also make disclosing the contents of an illegally intercepted telephone call illegal. See the section on Risks Associated with Publication in this guide for more information.
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  Off to tell the family...

  by Gypsy Sam in

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  the day i've been waiting for is here.

  i'm flying home to see family and some old friends, most of whom are jw.

  since learning ttatt a few months back, i came to the decision i would have to tell my parents that we are no longer active and don't have any plans to return.

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  Gypsy Sam, I fully understand the situation of not having their beliefs influence your daughter's view of furthering her own education. (If I understand that correctly)

  I'm in a similar situation with my wifes family, and they only know of our lack of attendance to meetings, but they still try to press their WTBTS aligned opinions upon our daughter of needing to "think about pioneering the end is so close" yada yada. I don't want my daughter to get confused. However, at her age of 13 now, she is able to stand up for herself and her beliefs nicely also.

  Best wishes on your visitation.
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  Did your parents force spiritual goals on you?

  by Comatose in

  1. jw
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  i was thinking today about my childhood.

  i knew from a young age that the proper response to a question about what i wanted to be when i grew up was pioneering, missionary, bethel, or c.o.

  i was taught from childhood not to want to be a fireman or astronaut.

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  tootired2care, my father, said I would have to move out of the house if I entered college. (I was already accepted) I wish I had ponied up and drew his bet and moved out and went. As a parent that is just one sorry bass-turd.
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  Interesting Observation by a Coworker

  by breakfast of champions in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  over the past couple years, i've confided my whole "apostate experience" to one of my coworkers, everything from 607 and 1914, to disfellowshipping and being raised with the constant fear my worldly family would die in armageddon.

  so he knows the whole witness thing.. anyway, he tells me this experience he had on tuesday:.

  you wouldn't believe this, boc.

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  This is an interesting observation BOChamps, thanks for sharing.
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  Every time I talk to my mom, she sounds like she is sick or dead tired, she acts so sad...

  by Comatose in

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  it's depressing.

  i am trying to call and stay in touch and act like everything is okay, but its really starting to depress me.

  my dad doesn't call or text.

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  SuperLouisLane, Clarity, and Comatoast thanks for your concern and caring comments. Work has been slow around this area for what I do and I traveled to another state to work on a hydro-electric dam.

  On a recent "worldly holiday" we had 4 days off+ so I traveled home to be with my immediate family. I was within 45 minutes of home (I just passed Barbara A's home) riding my sport motorcycle when a truck and I got tangled up at 10 a.m. in the morning on the highway. I don't remember anything.

  Results: Six broken ribs, plus a broken sternum, perforated lungs, ruptured spleen, hit my head so hard I broke one ear drum..plus a very good concussion, still feeling it. Internal bleeding was a concern but fortuneately it finally stopped. Minimal road rash, alittle on the elbows and knees, mostly internal injuries. (I have always dressed in quality protective clothing, full helmet, touring jacket.) Later blood clots in the legs, bad and painful.

  It has been a slow process but I'm getting my strength back. The only witness said I bounced down the road hit the guard rail and bounced back into the lane. UUUUGGGH. Oh, BTW, she also said, "you have the most beautiful blue eyes I've ever seen". That is a true quote. She held me still until emergency medics could get there.

  So that's my story, and I'm sticking to it. It's been over three months and I'm not 100% but I'm finally going back to work tomorrow. Yea!!!!!
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  Every time I talk to my mom, she sounds like she is sick or dead tired, she acts so sad...

  by Comatose in

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  it's depressing.

  i am trying to call and stay in touch and act like everything is okay, but its really starting to depress me.

  my dad doesn't call or text.

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  Comatose, I can personally appreciate your struggle and feelings.

  My family is similarly disfunctional. I'm not disfellowshipped nor disassociated; it's not even clear if my family knows that I'm inactive because of the distance and lack of communication. However, my life is peaceful without any family contact.

  I've tried to contact my mother at least once a year. The last time I talked with her she didn't seem to care that I called, nor did she volunteer any information about her life. This last year I had an accident that left me in the hospital for 5 days in ICU, and I've yet to go back to work. I've tried calling and leaving messages to let her know of my brush with death, but I'll not grovel.

  I've wondered about why "we" still care about people that lack a natural love, and all I've come up with is they have had their soul vacuumed out by WTBTS and "we" haven't.
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  2010--2013 Our Kingdom Ministry Update by request!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. bible

  our kingdom ministry request, 2010 to 2013 km update!.request:.nevada, some years ago fokyc was posting the kingdom ministries and i was able to download some of them, but i wasn't able to get them all.

  i was wondering if there is a file that has the kingdom ministries from about 2010 and 2011?.reply:.yes, fokyc was very kind in providing us with the kingdom ministries!

  we wish him all the best, and i believe he still posts from time to time.

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  Thanks
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  If I could go back to 1974

  by Quarterback in

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  i was very young back then, and can remember telling everyone at school, family, and all my worldly friends that the world would end in just another year.

  now after reading the latest july wt, and reviewing all the updates, i can't help but wonder what effect i would have if i told members of my faith that armeggeddon, wouldn't come that year.

  the fds has two appointments, 1st in 1919, and then 2nd after the gt.

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  If I could go back in time I would make two other trips. One to the early 1880's to enlighten C.T. Russel of what his misdirected MONSTER turned into, and

  then to early 1900's to beat the krap out of Rutherford in a New York Alley. Oh, I'd

  probably have to return in 1917 and beat the krap out of Rutherford again.