Posts by JakeM2012

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Education makes you leave God

by FusionTheism in

quote from the watchtower, simplified edition, september 2015, "how can we show that we love jehovah?".

higher education often makes them lose their love for god..

I'll have to mention that for me when I finally went to seek a higher education, that Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's gig was already up. I was just looking for a way to get out of it. I recognized that their "admonition" about education was flawed, although initially, I didn't realize that I would eventually reject so many of their teachings (practically all).

However, even a simple business degree education taught me the key elements of critical thinking. I already had serious doubts about the teachings of WTBTS and had experienced the backside of not having a formal education. Quite frankly, I didn't believe all that "mumbo jumbo" that WTBTS was dispensing as "food at the proper time" because most of it was smelly, rotting, spoiled food even before it was printed. But after putting the different elements of critical thinking together and investigating WatchTower's history, I was able to see that they were totally full of Bull Butter, (I'm trying to be nice).

I made my exit plan and was successful. Thank someone, (ok, let's thank Simon and others)

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Governing Body

by Daym123 in

hello,.

i am currently in a discussion with a jw about the governing body.. i have read alot of articles regarding it, however whenever i bring up what i have read, i am refuted with scripture, such as acts 15, where they say there was a governing body, who sent out elders and men etc.. does anyone have a website that i may not know of, that has answers to what they refute with?

or any help here or good thought provoking questions to respond with would be much appreciated.. thank you kindly.

JakeM2012

There is talk that Fred Franz did at the Gilead Graduation in 1975-76? after it was announced about the new power structure with the Governing Body. It was available on Commentary Press site as a download. It is very informative, but Fred Franz didn't go for the idea of a governing body.

Try to clean your mind of previous beliefs and re-read Acts 15, starting in verse one. Notice that certain ones from Jerusalem came to Antioch teaching that you had to be circumcised. Acts 15:2, "This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them."

Notice that the congregation in Antioch sent Paul and Barnabas to Jerusalem to straighten out the teachings from Jerusalem. The congregations in Antioch also authorized all of the missionary trips of Paul and Barnabas. It was not a fictional governing body in Jerusalem.

After Paul's missionary Journeys he did not report to Jerusalem, he went back to Antioch and told them. In fact there are times that Paul and Barnabas went to or traveled through Jerusalem and never contacted any of the elders in the congregation.

Jehovah's Witnesses have totally warped the whole account. There is more I just don't have time at the moment. But that is a good thread.

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Vacation Time: You want me to use my personal vacation to attend the D.C.? Something i feel is a load of B.S.and waste of my precious time

by goingthruthemotions in

so you all know that my wife is still blinded....i am well awake and so are our son's.

so she is expecting me to use my vacation time from work to attend the d.c. waste 3 days of dribble from the cult.

what of waste of time....yet i will do it to keep the peace.

JakeM2012

I have not been able to receive the FM broadcast of the convention here, but I HAVE tried. Shame.

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August 2015 Awake! FML

by InjusticeSystem in

i'm gonna have to stop reading this shit just for my own sanity and the survival of my computer.

august 2015 awake!.

can we please destroy this box that they keep publishing with some actual facts?

JakeM2012

"Its operation cannot be observed. It cannot be reproduced. And it cannot make accurate predictions. Can evolution even be considered a scientific hypothesis? The same encyclopedia defines a hypothesis as “a more tentative observation of facts [than a theory],” yet lends itself “to deductions that can be experimentally tested.”"

Similar to the unobservable enthronement of Jesus in 1914, or his unobservable second return in 1919 to appoint a Faithful and Discreet Publishing House to be his sole printing channel to mankind. Or the unobservable "undeniable truth" that in 1925 the end of the world would happen and the holy's would be resurrected, as stated in the "Millions Now Living will Never Die" by J.F. Rutherford. Similar to the disconnect in 1995 from a generation's length, or that in 2009 that Jesus talked about an "overlapping generation"?

Wow, I just don't believe how anyone could believe in a scientific hypothesis, can you?

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Newspaper article: 'Rise of ISIS and earthquakes are WARNINGS before ARMAGEDDON destroys Earth'

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/581439/rise-isis-earthquakes-warnings-before-armageddon-apocalypse-end-destroys-volcanoes-earth.

the "end" of mankind, which has been long predicted by jehovah's witnesses, could happen as soon as this year - according to latest announcement from the christian religion.. in the latest edition of jehovah's witnesses monthly publication watchtower, an article translated into 700 languages - urges people to join the religion or face certain death when god sends his forces from the heavens to "remove all world leaders," "exterminate his enemies" and "rid the world of satan".. critics have lambasted the warning of a coming armageddon as yet another "failed prediction" by the religion, which has previously delivered similar alerts such as a foretold apocalypse in 1975.. indeed, jehovah's witnesses have been warning people of the need to recognise jehovah or face certain death when the "end" comes for more than 100 years.. the christian-based religion was founded in the 1870s by charles taze russell in pittsburgh, pennsylvania, us, as an offshoot from the bible studies movement.. today, there are 8.2million jehovah's witness evangelists, while 19.9 million celebrated their annual memorial festival marking christ's death - worldwide in 2014.. followers do not believe in military service and will not accept blood transfusions.. in a new eight-page article, watchtower said jehovah's witness leaders are now "convinced" humans are in their "final days" before the armageddon.. they cite an increase in global armed conflict, such as the rise of the islamic state terror group, as well as natural disasters such as volcanoes and earthquakes.. the lengthy article, written by an unnamed author, said: "will god let humans continue to dominate one another and threaten the future of mankind?

no, as we have seen, he will step in and bring an end to centuries of misery and oppression.

JakeM2012

If WTBTS has so much inside information from being the one and only true "God's Channel", why didn't the WTBTS have any expectations/predictions/"prophecies" that ISIS would appear on the world scene and make a war into the Christian/radical Islam conflict and bring about Armageddon? Or at least the U.N. turning against the world's religions because of ISIS? Duh? It's just more Fear and Guilt that they sell soooooo well.

And is there really an increase in earthquakes? Ok, yes they have some reported in the Dallas Texas area and it is considered caused from fracking, Not life threatening. But really, I thought this subject of an increase in earthquakes has been beaten like a dead horse.

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Ever been on a "snipe hunt"?

by kairos in

jw
friends

if you are a jw, that is.. "there's the kingdom over there!!

""armageddon is near""we're in the last of the last days""we will have three day conventions next year... jehovah willing""the work is speeding up""it's an invisible presence".

snipe hunt.

JakeM2012

A 135 year Snipe Hunt. Wow.

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Was it worth it?

by John Aquila in

for those of you who left family and friends and had to start over from scratch just to get out of the organization, was it worth it?.

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JakeM2012

Yes it was worth it. I lost family, friends, and financially. Yet, I have a sister that will still talk with me, and several of my brothers I do not want any contact with so that is no hurt. My mom will not talk with me, even though I am not DF'd or DA'd. That is somewhat a bummer. But I try, I send her cards, call her when I am in town and leave messages on the phone.

I'm just glad not to be going to the Kingdom Hall every other day and twice on the weekend. Add in the time lost in Elders meetings, working on the kingdom hall, doing the lawn maintenance etc, and building other peoples kingdom halls. The time that the religion consumes is just unbelievable.

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No longer the cobe

by iwasblind in

sorry this is duplicate because i posted the other one in private and did not mean to.. hey guys,.

fade started.. no longer the cobe as of this week.

had the co last week and managed to relieve myself of it.

JakeM2012

Great Progress, keep us posted how you are faring.

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Hope y'all in Texas are doing OK !

by Simon in

some terrible flooding happening there.. i never realized that texas was so prone to serious floods and flash-floods because of the geography and weather.

it tops the stats nearly every year for flood fatalities.. stay safe, stay dry if you can and don't take any chances.

water is unbelievably powerful - whatever vehicle you have it can sweep it away like a twig.

JakeM2012

Yep, Hope all in Texas a well. There are still a lot of people missing in Wimberley. Texas has been in a drought for five years, which is not unusual, but they get all their rain at one time.

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How Some Climb Up So Quickly?!!

by Sofia Lose in

our current co has not been in the org all that long, less than 10 years, and already quite a respected overseer.

i know of a few married couples in the spanish congs that are doing everything right, you know, with the theocratic schooling, the pioneering, etc., and... nothing!.

how do some seem to reach certain posts so damn quick, while others cannot make it?!

JakeM2012

I was always amazed by this. I was born in, never in trouble, regular meeting attender, auxiliary pioneered, worked for several years at branches in Central and South America and some in Africa.

But some Jack Hole could come in the truth brag that he had done every drug available and slept with hundreds of women and in less than five years was giving substantial talks at the circuit assembly and District Convention. Me, I was asked to either work in cleaning or the parking lot. I know, humility. I did what was asked but just never got it. Geezsh, I am so glad to be out of that crap.