I thought the reasoning sound as to the WT explaination of Babylon the Great, ( world empire of false religion ) but have any of you knowledge of other plausible explainations? or knowledge of other sources that are in agreement with WT?
enoughisenough
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What other alternatives for the meaning of Babylon the Great ?
by enoughisenough ini thought the reasoning sound as to the wt explaination of babylon the great, ( world empire of false religion ) but have any of you knowledge of other plausible explainations?
or knowledge of other sources that are in agreement with wt?
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End of watchtower
by Hellothere inshouldn't gb tell members to abandon organisation?
surely things are pointing at watchtower being part of babylon the great.
in with way is watchtower being bless and been shown god's favour this days?
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enoughisenough
punkofnice.. on Babylon the Great --"that is their propaganda, not everyone elses"....
What they taught about Babylon the Great made sense to me...and I haven't looked into other plausible takes on what it might actually mean...I think I will start a new topic on that note.
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Watchtower Basketball Guidelines!
by Atlantis inwatchtower basketball guidelines.
click image to enlarge.
https://postimg.cc/btgxcgcb.
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enoughisenough
Something very wrong with that picture...They should be ashamed to ask for those who play there for donations...you would think they would be happy to provide some healthy recreation for those who are working for a pentance.
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10 years on and I’m still indoctrinated
by joe134cd inthis experience highlights the level of my indoctrination, after 10 years of been a pomo.
a few months back my gf was hinting to me about what we could do for my birthday.
to be honest i just had no idea, that i even had a birthday.
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enoughisenough
I wasn't raised JW and we never had birthday parties...I never felt like I was missing anything...I don't get why some who were raised JW feel slighted... -
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1985 and baptism...I wish I had read this before today
by enoughisenough ini am posting a link as to being legally bound to jw rules at time of baptism.
i only did a quick skim, but what i gathered is interesting, and what it says about 1985 may be of use to some hoping to just fade and not be bothered.
in 1985, the questions were changed at baptism for legal purposes so they could have causation to defend themselves should you decide to sue for whatever reason.
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enoughisenough
I am posting a link as to being legally bound to JW rules at time of baptism. I only did a quick skim, but what I gathered is interesting, and what it says about 1985 may be of use to some hoping to just fade and not be bothered. In 1985, the questions were changed at baptism for legal purposes so they could have causation to defend themselves should you decide to sue for whatever reason. ( in other words, you legally agreed they can do as they wish with you after 1985 ) check out the link...I didn't have time to absorb all of it...https://www.nairaland.com/3846473/verbal-legal-contract-called-baptism
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Meeting attendance
by Benavidez ini was wondering what your guys' meeting attendance was like.
our meetings here is like 50/50 with zoom and in person.
the spanish has it a little "better" with it being like 30% zoom attendance with most attending in person.. i've heard of congregations in other states having attendance where most (even elders and ms) attend meeting only via zoom and even have their cameras off.
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enoughisenough
? for those attending either inperson or zoom-do you see a decline overall?
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Conditions of Watchtower Baptism
by Vanderhoven7 ini understand that there are 80 to 100 questions that would-be witnesses must answer correctly before they can be considered eligible for "christian baptism".
however i have noticed that none of the questions relate to the 607destruction, the 1914 invisible presence and enthronement, or even the 1919 appointment of the faithful slave.. now some may feel my question is ridiculous, but bear with me.. will jehovah's witnesses baptize someone who answers all 100 questions satisfactorily, but rejects 607, 1914 and 1919 and the events the watchtower associates with these dates if they agree not to express their rejection to others?.
your thoughts....
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enoughisenough
question 2 has changed over time...I remember when the words God's Spirit directed organization were part of it. Answering # 2 affirmatively is a legally binding contract --no one tells people that aspect of it. Raymond Franz explained it in one of his books. There was also some unusual wording in the last baptizm talk I heard towards the end they were informing the new ones of what was expected of them as to preaching and teaching...I remember thinking, WHAT???? I wish I could remember it, but it seemed a total overreach.
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Conditions of Watchtower Baptism
by Vanderhoven7 ini understand that there are 80 to 100 questions that would-be witnesses must answer correctly before they can be considered eligible for "christian baptism".
however i have noticed that none of the questions relate to the 607destruction, the 1914 invisible presence and enthronement, or even the 1919 appointment of the faithful slave.. now some may feel my question is ridiculous, but bear with me.. will jehovah's witnesses baptize someone who answers all 100 questions satisfactorily, but rejects 607, 1914 and 1919 and the events the watchtower associates with these dates if they agree not to express their rejection to others?.
your thoughts....
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more questions that should be asked: do you understand that we expect you to denouce your former religion, at least some of your friends and family and become part of God's organization with a worldwide circle of friends and family...but if you decide for you no longer want to be a JW, your new friends and family in the org will kick you to the curb and have nothing to do with you because you have become a filthy apostate?
Do you understand that by being baptized, acknowledging that you are part of Jehovah's organization, you have entered into a legal contract with the JW org?
Do you understand that your spirituality will be judged by how many hours you report for service... and it will effect if and when you have priviledges, if you are invited to certain functions?
Do you understand that you can't question the GB, even if what they teach you goes against the scriptures or else you will be kicked out and are deserving of death ( see Walsh Trial held in Scotland 1954 -statements made under oath are still current from where I am sitting ) ( I am sure I could think of more--people don't get full disclosure during bible studies )
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Useless Majors
by Sea Breeze ini was passing through a very liberal college town recently during rush hour.
so, i decided to stop for some refreshment at a fine-looking establishment and wait for traffic to die down.
a young waitress waited on me who probably could have been stevie nicks twin when she was young.
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enoughisenough
seabreeze...youtube channel, the blue envelope did a video showing income by religion...yeah, he shows you where they are...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22vModQHjOA
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Dumb 'experiences' you were told as a JW
by BettyHumpter inthis one stands out in my mind.
it was reported that 'a brother', unnamed of course, was out in field service and was set upon by a pack of vicious dogs.
he made it back to the car and was injured quite badly with his arms, hands and leg bleeding heavily.
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enoughisenough
a funny story my dearly departed told: He was the driver in a car group and they went up to a home with no easy space to turn and leave...There was a wooden garage there that was open and it seems advantageous to pull into the garage ( I might have known once why the group thought this good idea, but it has left me ) So they pull into the wooden garage and their car breaks through the old wooden flooring and they are stuck! Eventually the homeowner comes and finds them in this precarious situation...he didn't seem to hold it against them--so it ended OK
Then there is the funny story of a Mr X who went to a woman's door. you went up some steps on the end of a longish porch and walked across it to get to the door. The woman came to the door and was very nasty so as to run him off. So he is almost to the end of the porch when she calls for him to go back over to her-which he did. She said to him, " I just wanted to see if you were stupid enough to come back".