Vidqun, I have understood there being 2 resurrections...but from the dots I had connected it appears to me that even that first resurrection wouldn't start until the last day.( instead of an ongoing resurrection as soon as people die ) Then I am wondering if the "judgement day" and the "last day" are the same time period. It seems to me they may be-some being judged righteous and having a part in the first resurrection.
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the sounding of the trumpet
by enoughisenough ini will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.
jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.
when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.
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the sounding of the trumpet
by enoughisenough ini will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.
jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.
when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.
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I will risk showing my ignorance but I had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight. JW teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven. When Lazarus had died Martha said she knew he would rise on the last day. 1 Cor 15;52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during THE LAST TRUMPET. For the Trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed........54 "Death is swallowed up forever." a referred scripture 1 Thess 4:16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice and with God's TRUMPET , and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. So here are some dots I am connecting that maybe aren't connected at all: Martha said LAST day, I Cor 15:52 says LAST Trumpet. To my way of thinking, and I stand to be corrected, it appears to me that the TRUMPET hasn't sounded yet. Death hasn't been swallowed up forever as far as I can discern! If the Trumpet did sound already, it has kept on tooting beings the JW teach the anointed who are now dieing go to heaven. ( actually Christendom teaches the dead go to heaven as well-whereas from where I am sitting, those who have died will stay in the grave until that LAST TRUMPET) editing in this scripture that lends to my thinking: John6: 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on THE LAST DAY. see also John 6:54, John 6:39, John 6:44, These scriptures support resurrection on THE LAST DAY--I see nothing that suggests there is an ongoing resurrection-as soon as someone with a "heavenly calling" dies and is immediateley resurrected to heaven.
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The real story on why The Watchtower society lost a Kingdom hall in Bonham ,Texas.!
by koolaid-man inwhat happened in bonham, texas?
: the body of elders and the majority of the congregation decided to leave the watch tower organization.
and with that, they took the kingdom hall.
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I am having the thought that with many staying on zoom instead of going to the halls, there will be more consolidated halls, thereby freeing up more to sell off....just a thought, but it wouldn't surprise me...not a worry of mine as I no intention of ever going back and feel sorry for my "friends" who are so blinded. they don't know that "get out of her my people......'' applies to them. I did come to the conclusion I was sharing in her sins what with aiding and abetting and helping pay out the millions in law suits. Hide and watch!
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Who says the Pandemic didn't wake up a lot of people!
by pistolpete inthere are actually tons of these experiences.
i wanted to post this one because it involved all the family of born in jws.. post;.
all my freakn dreams came true.
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I never watched the news much until the pandemic. I started keeping up with Pres Trump daily updates and then information about the vax roll outs. I was also watching some frontline doctors and biologist, etc. talking about the vaccines and their harmfulness. I was watching updates of vaers- which was getting a small percent of outright deaths and injuries reported-even so those reports at a low rate grew into 10s of thousands of deaths and injuries. The Bible says not to defile the flesh...it has also been reported the the vax changes the dna of a person. It is in recent reports that the vax didn't prevent or keep from spreading the c-19, but rather higher death rates and illness rates among the vaxxed. The GB was giving updates and telling us to trust them! Get the vax if you can. They were emotionally blackmailing and coercing. ( still are-see a recent letter about the HLC and the visitor group) Life insurance companies are reporting more payouts since the V rollout. Those who care to know and not stick their heads in the sand likely know as much or more about the Vax than I do...Those who are for that poison will pay he price...that isn't the point of this. The point of this is I knew/know Jehovah and Jesus in no way would approve of such a defilement of flesh. The GB are great hypocrites-you can get df for smoking and drinking and drug use-it defiles your flesh. If you didn't take the vax, it gave others in the congregation rediculingand judgment rites and they used them.The circuit overseer in assembly last year said you have to have faith in Jehovah...if you have faith in Jehovah, you have to have faith in his slave and obey them...take the vax...I kept trying to make excuses for the GB...it didn't fly...I went down a few rabbitholes so to speak...I no longer believe the 1914 nonsense and the faithful and discreet slave nonsense. I NEVER did believe that only JW would be spared at Armageddon., I came to realize I had gone to people's homes and promoted outright falsehood to them . I came to realize how WT sold out local halls and put some in hardship of further travel_and gas prices the highest I have ever seen. I understood supporting them with donations, I was helping to pay to hide child predators. I thought of fading, but decided to just send in my letter of disassociation...Dueing the past 2 years, only one sister really associated with me anyway-I miss her! For those who are PIMO, I feel for you...that can't be an easy road...Sorry folks-this bandwagon isn't ending for me because I see the GB still pushing their "health" policies and twisting the scriptures to make it sound like it is advice from God and all the while people who were healthy and in the prime of their life have died or are permanantly injured from the promoted poison.A spade is a spade.
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The real story on why The Watchtower society lost a Kingdom hall in Bonham ,Texas.!
by koolaid-man inwhat happened in bonham, texas?
: the body of elders and the majority of the congregation decided to leave the watch tower organization.
and with that, they took the kingdom hall.
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on some youtube platform, I saw a letter to the elders...and I thought how very sneaky...what they don't tell the congregations. to my recollection it went this sort of way. This was when they were telling the congregations that there would be an equalizing to benefit the brothers of the world in having KH...We got to vote on it and as presented to the congregation it seemed a good thing. Instead of the old building fund that KH could borrow from, the WT would be handling the money so to speak. If a Kingom Hall say had a bank loan, the WT would become the loaner as it were (take over the loan??) and the congregations would pay the same payment to the WT. What the congregation wasn't told was that it was , from my understanding, a never ending payment and the property would become the WT's. Yes the congregation lacked 2 years to have ownership of a hall with the bank...when the WT took over, those payments didn't stop at the 2 years as it would have with a bank. They also told us how this would help to build lots more needed halls in the US alone. Well, as many know, what happened with the ownership is that many congregations got moved around and the Halls sold. I watched one video where a congregation had saved over 80,000 to pay for parking lot. The WT said to turn over the money and they would see to the parking lot...yep, they did, all right--they sold the hall. My understanding is that if any elder doesn't go along with some of this heist, then they figure out a way to remove him. I called it a heist because it was the locals who donated the money and did most of the work with the help of some from rbc/ldc ...but the ones who paid for and built it have no say in what happens to it. I find it heinous that a building can be Dedicated to Jehovah on one day and another be sold to any church or organization for any purpose. So much for the dedication-hypocrites. When one new hall was build, the chairs from the old hall was sold to a church...as publishers, you weren't allowed to do business with a church-more hypocrisy!
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Money donated for a specific reason
by enoughisenough ini decided to do this posting because of some comments in the post about pensions.
in the mid to late 1980's there was a flood and the local kingom hall was damaged and many of the friends homes were damaged...groups came in to help repair.
my then mother-in-law literally lost everything-she had no home to repair...she had been renting a small trailer and it washed away.
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I decided to do this posting because of some comments in the post about Pensions. In the mid to Late 1980's there was a flood and the local Kingom Hall was damaged and many of the friends homes were damaged...groups came in to help repair. My then mother-in-law literally lost everything-she had no home to repair...she had been renting a small trailer and it washed away. She also spent the night in the rafters of a business to keep alive. A well to do brother from another congregation gave the then presiding overseer $30,000 to be distributed to the friends in need. My mother in law had gone to a fema trailer in a town over an hour away....out of sight, out of mind. She lost more than anyone in that congregation, but the elder in charge clearly forgot about her or just didn't care. I don't know who got how much money, but he had money left over and sent it to the WTBTS. In another instance, a sister sold a car to an elder...instead of payment to her she told him to make a donation in the amount...we doubted that happened as it was never shown to happen-or maybe he is still doing it in the process. This same sister also gave money to the elders to distribute to others as needed. I suppose they did.
A sister's husband left her and she had 2 girls...she was working at whatever she could find...her clothes were hanging off her. I slipped a card with money I could ill afford to part with into her bag. She never thanked me. all she said later was her daughters were to give me a card which I never got. (I thought that strange)
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No pension no preparation for retirement
by Mikejw ina lot of my ex fellow servants must be now in their seventies, what can you do?.
no children no money no home.
it is so sad.. so many decided not to have children as the end was right around the corner and that was decades ago.
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depending upon where you are living and the job situation, you barely get by let alone save for retirement. That being said, it doesn't help that JW discouraged getting educated so as to have better job placement opportunities. It doesn't help when it is put in front of you that the world is ending within a certain time frame.
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What's with the dancing?
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What Do You Like About Biden's Build Back Better Agenda & the Democrat's Build Back Better Act?
by Disillusioned JW inwhat do you like about biden's build back better agenda & the democrat's build back better act?
is it liberal and progressive enough for you or do you wish it would go further?
https://www.vox.com/22711083/biden-reconciliation-build-back-better-polls-infrastructure has some comments about it.
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I think it is part of a global agenda for the "elite" to take over the world and make slaves of the average person. "you will have nothing and you will be happy"
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Elders won't tell you who have falsely accused you
by enoughisenough inhaving been a victim of this practice twice, i thought i would see if others had the same experience.
on one occassion, i was before the elders being told i was drunk on a certain day at a certain time.
( this was only brought up because when i was pushing for a meeting because of elder mr x adultery , i was threatened somethings would be brought out about me if i persued the meeting.
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Mr x had to leave because he gifted me with an std...he visited another congregation for memorial and an older sister who always favored him came up to him to tell him what went wrong in his marriage-it was brother so and so fault...No it wasn't he told her. She kept insisting. He is the one who told me all about the conversation he had with her. So I called her out on it and told her the truth about telling him to leave because of the std..."well,I didn't know that." No she didn't because I wasn't telling anyone local because the elders told me to keep my mouth shut... but she was spreading her lies and she wouldn't tell me to who all she spread the lies. I told to go back and tell them the truth because if she could spread the lies, she could spread the truth. I told Mr x I had told her the truth about the situation...He said," why did you do that? She will tell everyone!" I did tell a sister I knew who lived 1.5 hours away...she told her daughter in NY, who told her friend in WV,who was friends with presiding overseers wife, who told her husband , who came to my house with another elder telling me I had slandered my husband and I could no longer work with the RBC