after the book study arrangement was taken out of private homes, some were meeting ( I went a couple of times) in the home of retired CO . We were just going over and talking about the chapters for Bible reading that week. He was told to close up that shop... the supposed reason being that one sister complained she was getting overlooked in commenting on the scriptures we were reading. That didn't smell right to start with! I guess some story had to be circulated rather than the truth of the matter.
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Keep telling yourself that!
by Lost in the fog inin the latest copy of the elders textbook someone kindly made available to us on this website, i see that "independently organized meetings for spiritual feeding" are still not allowed.
no wonder because independent research would let the scales fall from the eyes.. the gb still insisting that they are guided by the (always lower case) holy spirit and the bible!!
not that the rank and file members need the bible or holy spirit themselves because they are fed through meetings, conventions, assemblies, jw broadcasting and the publications.
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why celebrate xmas?
by enoughisenough inmany on here are ex jw....they have left the jws because of coming to find out the many false indoctrinations.
one of the things learned as a jw is that there isn't anything true about xmas being the birth of jesus.
( matt chapter 2 tells a whole different narrative about the baby jesus than what is portrayed by the christian churches) they learn the ways that are celebrated are pagan practices jesus told the samaritan woman that god wanted to be worshipped in spirit and it truth.
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peacefulpete, thank you for your explanations...you made some points that are well worth consideration.
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why celebrate xmas?
by enoughisenough inmany on here are ex jw....they have left the jws because of coming to find out the many false indoctrinations.
one of the things learned as a jw is that there isn't anything true about xmas being the birth of jesus.
( matt chapter 2 tells a whole different narrative about the baby jesus than what is portrayed by the christian churches) they learn the ways that are celebrated are pagan practices jesus told the samaritan woman that god wanted to be worshipped in spirit and it truth.
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I am of the opinion, if you want to celebrate, go ahead, but call it what it really is. It isn't the birthday of Jesus...calling it that doesn't make it so even if some choose to think in that way. Attaching Jesus to make holy what isn't doesn't fly. The Israelites made a golden calf and called it a festival to Jehovah...how well did that work out? Years ago, a man told me that he knew xmas was pagan, but he loved it. ( that being said, I dare say many things we all do today, were done by the "pagans". Somewhere in all of this, I think motive has to be considered.
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freedom of speech and loss of rights
by enoughisenough ini was thinking about freedom of speech after watching a clip about the jw suing kevin mcfree.
they wanted to take away his freedom of speech.
but in thinking about it, that is the way of the organization, save they want to control thought as well.
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I was thinking about freedom of speech after watching a clip about the JW suing Kevin McFree. They wanted to take away his freedom of speech. But in thinking about it, that is the way of the organization, save they want to control thought as well. You would think they would be a champion of freedom of speech because they fought it through the supreme court. It is one-sided at best. If you have an issue you take before the elders, you are told to keep your mouth shut about it. ( why so many perverts get away with molesting kids)
I wonder who besides Kevin McFree they have tried to silence! You simply are not allowed to speak against the GB ( loss of freedom of speech.)
Another way they take away our freedom of speech is by announcement of our name should we disassociate. What good is freedom of speech if others are prohibited from hearing what you have to say?
Here is another right that the JW take away: the 6 amendment gives people the right to confront those who accuse them of a crime. Well, some behaviors just as well be crimes where the JW are concerned, because the judges will strip you of your right to life! People can report something about you to the elders and you will never learn who your accuser/s are. This is not only unscriptural, ( if you have an issue with your brother, you are supposed to take it before him first and work it out ) , but unlawful. ( 6 amendment ) ( I was called on the carpet for shacking up in a motel with someone 1.5 hours from home-a totally made up lie, and wasn't told who brought that slander to the elders. And another time, I was called out for being drunk and they wouldn't tell me who told it--to top that story off, one of the elders in that meeting knew for a fact it was a lie, but didn't say a word in my defense) So when I think about all of it now, I can see why the Norwegian Gov is of the opinion that human rights are being violated by the JW.
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Pioneer couple sense of entitlement
by nowwhat? inso there's this middle age pioneer couple.
he works part time and the wife doesn't work at all.
their daughter is getting married and even though it is known they go on multiple vacations a year, they expect the grooms parents to pay for 100% of the wedding!
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a thought that adds to the mindset of those who feel entitled...How many times had we heard young people to pioneer and stay with their parents for helpful support so they could pioneer? Or families being told to work to help another family member to be able to pioneer? Over the years, I heard those scenarios in WT studies and at conventions. ( which I came to understand the WT studies were rehashes of the convention talks.)
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why celebrate xmas?
by enoughisenough inmany on here are ex jw....they have left the jws because of coming to find out the many false indoctrinations.
one of the things learned as a jw is that there isn't anything true about xmas being the birth of jesus.
( matt chapter 2 tells a whole different narrative about the baby jesus than what is portrayed by the christian churches) they learn the ways that are celebrated are pagan practices jesus told the samaritan woman that god wanted to be worshipped in spirit and it truth.
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peacefulpete....you are correct in the star reappearing from what I read in Matt 2:9,10 ....Why did it evidently disappear over Jerusalem when it knew exactly where the child was to begin with?
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how do you perceive jehovah?
by stan livedeath inwhat did you think god looked like when you were ( or still are ) a jw ?
or even never a jw..but believe in god ?.
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Couldn't picture him...I just thought "spirit", so air...I don't see air.
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Pioneer couple sense of entitlement
by nowwhat? inso there's this middle age pioneer couple.
he works part time and the wife doesn't work at all.
their daughter is getting married and even though it is known they go on multiple vacations a year, they expect the grooms parents to pay for 100% of the wedding!
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I think in some ways, they are groomed to behave as entitled because some of the rank and file believe they are on a pedestal. They will get invited to pioneer only or pioneer and elder only parties by others in the congregation. They will be given expensive items from others in the congregation because they pioneer. ( I knew a woman in the custom drapery business who made custom window treatments for a pioneer's home ( she did elders as well ) This is expensive stuff we are talking about.
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Pioneer hour requirement returns
by FFGhost inso, just posted on jw.borg:.
as of march 2023, the hour requirement for pioneers, which was suspended during the pandemic, will once again be enforced.. elders will review the activity of all pioneers in june 2023. if it appears that any do not have a “practical schedule” (aren’t getting at least close to 70 hours per month”), elders are to “kindly and frankly discuss their circumstances”.. what’s that sound that seems like a torpedo plane diving on its target?
that’s the sound of the number of regular pioneers in complete free fall .
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slimboyfat..."what is the point of being a pioneer nowadays?" being put on a pedestal by others. How many would do it without the pats on the back? Or they think they can make up for bad behavior.
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Kevin McFree is posting again on YouTube
by Anna Marina inif you haven't noticed kevin mcfree is posting again.
re-uploading some of the stuff he had to take down.. also, here is an article by a brother telling the gb exactly what he thinks of how they treated kevin.. https://governingbody.net/i-am-speaking-to-you-the-governing-body-to-move-you-to-shame.
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Kevin's videos are very clever...love them.