Posts by Drearyweather

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2 witness rule

by punkofnice in

i'm gobsmacked.. the 7 rock star popes in warwick know darned well that the 2 witness rule allows child rapists to get away with their crime.. geoff (whacko jacko) jackson was at the australian royal commission and should have seen first hand what a vile man made law the 2 witness rule is.. my question is, why do they still insist on this pervert protecting rule?.

i know it's a highly controlling cult but still...........................stuff my old boots, mate!.

the above is more a rhetorical question.

Drearyweather

Here in India, many publishers beg the elders not to take the case to the police due to the crazy legal system and the social ostracism which is more horrendous than the disfellowshipping arrangement.

When the legal system of the country itself is running at a snail's pace, many victims try to find support and solace in their religious community and hence I would not blame the families who go to the elders rather than the police.

Sadly, there are rising amount of cases here where people are falsely accused of child sexual abuse and the police can pretty much torture an individual to confess a crime that he did not do. You can be pretty much be beaten into a pulp even on a slight hint of accusation. Mob justice takes precedence over everything. And I can only imagine how an elder can get torn down into this mess when he gets to know about a child abuse case.

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2 witness rule

by punkofnice in

i'm gobsmacked.. the 7 rock star popes in warwick know darned well that the 2 witness rule allows child rapists to get away with their crime.. geoff (whacko jacko) jackson was at the australian royal commission and should have seen first hand what a vile man made law the 2 witness rule is.. my question is, why do they still insist on this pervert protecting rule?.

i know it's a highly controlling cult but still...........................stuff my old boots, mate!.

the above is more a rhetorical question.

Drearyweather

The two witness rule is an OT rule. Since when do they literally apply OT rules?

Matthew 18:16: on the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter may be established

2 Cor 13:1: This is the third time I am coming to you. “On the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter must be established

1 Tim 5:19: Do not accept an accusation against an older man except on the evidence of two or three witnesses

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Side effect of Downsizing......$$$

by Tech49 in

jw
friends

so here is a tidbit you will all just love!.

we all are hearing of the trend right now to ¨downsize¨ the congregations...ie... eliminate by combining, in order to blah blah blah... .

here is what you didnt know: every time a congregation is dissolved, for whatever reason, including merging or dispersing, wt makes money!

Drearyweather

WT MAKES MONEY!

Local JW's are fine with wherever their money goes. Either to the Congregation or the WT, it is somehow used for furthering "Kingdom Interests".

Once the money gets dropped in the contribution box, publishers don't have a say over it.

However, it would be a completely different case, if it can be proved that leaders of the WT are swindling money to their own personal accounts. Does any ex-bethelite have any proof that this happens? Did Ray Franz tell anything about financial fraud within the WT?

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Key to some universal truths—Queen Jezebel has it!

by venus in

even wicked queen jezebel knew ‘what is good and what is bad’ because she described those who hurt others for no reason as “good-for-nothing.” (1 king 21:10).

from her comment the following universal truths can be discerned:.

1) everyone is endowed with the knowledge of good and bad, which makes god’s communication with humans unnecessary.

Drearyweather

What is important is that even she knew what is good and what is bad

I know what you are trying to say. I was simply emphasizing the fact that socially acceptable application of the universal truth is more important than its possession.

Babies as small as six months old can discern the difference between a good nurse and bad one. Same applies to animals too, wherein, a dog knows whom to bite, whom to bark and before whom to wag its tail.

This ability can be called as discernment or an unlearned ability wherein, conscious beings learn good and bad due to an inbuilt instinct to survive. Individually, each person has a choice to do good or bad, however, socially, the law of the land decides what is good and acceptable, and what is bad and not acceptable, and hence there is a set of laws that decides what is good and bad, and this usually trumps individuals choice.

Whether we need God's guidance is left to an individual's choice. But socially, each person is bound by the secular law which validates what is good and what is bad.

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Key to some universal truths—Queen Jezebel has it!

by venus in

even wicked queen jezebel knew ‘what is good and what is bad’ because she described those who hurt others for no reason as “good-for-nothing.” (1 king 21:10).

from her comment the following universal truths can be discerned:.

1) everyone is endowed with the knowledge of good and bad, which makes god’s communication with humans unnecessary.

Drearyweather

she described those who hurt others for no reason as “good-for-nothing.”

Correct. And then by her works proved that she was good-for-nothing too.

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no pictures of Kingdom Hall remodels???

by Lynnie in

i'm following an old friend on instagram who's an uber elder and he does lots of work on kh's and has gone to warwick on his own dime to help with the construction.

on his instagram post he says " i can't post pictures of the kh remodel but i can post pics of jack daniels that i had afterwards" or some such.

why aren't they allowed to take pics of remodels?

Drearyweather

Why aren't they allowed to take pics of remodels?

Why don't you ask him rather than speculating?

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Married Jehovah's Witness is caught stripping in a stranger's living room as his horrified wife watches by live video link

by jwleaks in

only in the uk.. a woman who was worried her jehovah's witness husband was cheating set him up and then watched in horror as he was seduced after knocking on someone's door.

the honeytrap was laid for the suspicious wife with the help of youtubers to catch a cheater.

they arranged for an actress to wait at one of the houses on the husband's outreach round and try to seduce him.

Drearyweather

I think this is already being discussed in this post:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5678028300484608/this-what-jws-do-out-service

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JW leadership hypocrisy 1975

by Half banana in

it is felt that there is one law for the rich and another for the little people who are made to toe the line.

money equals power and it is a sad historical fact of humanity that where there is power there is abuse.. andersoninfo a few days ago produced the facts here that in 1975 the watchtower had spent nearly 2 million dollars to buy the neo baroque building in new york known as the towers.

when they sold it recently for 200 million dollars they made a profit of more than 10,000%.

Drearyweather

WT leadership were not acting according to the propaganda they were disseminating in 1975

Half Banana,

That's were a distinction needs to be made between the individual leaders and the WT org as an entity.

For a honest JW, all individuals, including the leaders in the WT working in Bethel were spiritual people who left everything behind to work in Bethel. What would have been more appropriate than to be found working in the house of God while the end was coming? Since you spoke about JW leaders looking for profits, I asked - Do you have any information that the individual leaders and their families during the 1975 era made personal wealth and gains while individual JW's outside Bethel were selling their belongings?

Regarding the investments made in 1975, honest JW's thought that Jehovah was directing the organization, and all decisions, including property investments were made by the organization for furthering Kingdom interests. JW's back then, and even now believe that they would be continuing their education work in paradise and possibly Jehovah will use some of their existing properties in the new world.

And that's the main reason there was no mass exodus in 1975, like the one in 1914 and afterwards. May be people joining the JW's are mentally prepared for such doomsday debacles, since 1975 was not their first prediction.

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If there was a resurrection in paradise

by Sour Grapes in

something that bothered me even when i was a watchtower company drone was the thought of dying and being resurrected in paradise.

would the resurrected person really be me or just a copy of me?

if god could recreate one of me, he could also recreate five of me.

Drearyweather

Do you really accept the JW teaching of the earthly resurrection but yet reject the idea of an immortal soul? You can't have one without the other.

Well, To begin with, JW teaching doesn't allow for a soul in the human body. Adam was not infused with a soul, but just with a breath of life. Since soul was not necessary for creating man, it won't be necessary to re-create or resurrect that man. All what is needed is the recreation of the human body, the restarting of human life and the restoration of consciousness and memory, all which is possible for the creator, who is not bound by the human limitation of the understanding of science.

Call it a copy, clone or whatever. Those who were fine with this idea got baptized into the JW religion. That's it.

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What would you do for next November 5?

by Faded in

jw
friends

i think everything has to start somewhere, and you can see the passion and commitment from those loyal 50 that showed up in warwick yesterday.

the event was not very well organized but you could see the passion & dedication from most of them.

and i think they at least touched a couple of people at the kh yesterday.. having an annual day of action actually inspires me.

Drearyweather

A clear theme should be selected, and signs should be designed accordingly and collectively approved.

Print out informative tracts like Watchtowers and blitz Warwick going door to door and inviting other community churches along. That’s a story a newspaper or local news channel can get behind.

I think that's how CT Russell started his movement....