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Need best info on why Jesus could never have chosen org in 1918?

by GodZoo in

hi folks... i was playing a tiny online ipad multiplayer war game last night and one started a dialogue with a another player i was attacking.

in it he quoted a scripture.. and it turns out he he is a 25 year serving jw.

possibly an elder... well.. i spent 6 hours tapping away with one finger in the chat box until 8am this morning with him about all the issues on sex abuse, the money grab and most importantly the subject of jesus turning his attention to the earth and selecting the then bibles students as his one and only people based on what they were teaching (spiritual food) back then.. he knows nothing about any of the current and historic child sex abuse cases (never heard of candice conti etc) and even less about the insane early teachings or russell etc.. i completely blew his mind in our 6 hour text chat not to mention my index finger nearly falling off!.

nibbled

Splash, I agree with you. The WT uses Daniel's 7 times, but my understanding is not based on appropriating another chapter of Daniel—it's based on Leviticus 26 where God warned:

"If you remain hostile toward me and refuse to listen to me, I will multiply your afflictions seven times over, as your sins deserve."

The descriptions in prophecy align to what takes place:

Ezekiel 4:4-6 = 430 years as the "Servitude of the Nation" (Loss of Israel's independence) Fulfilled on May 14,1948.
Daniel 9:2 = 70 years as the "Desolation of Jerusalem" (Destruction of Jerusalem and loss of Jewish Rule in Jerusalem) 587 B.C. Fulfilled on June 7,1967

They served the 70 years of the 430 years of punishment, but were not found repentant. The remaining balance of years — the remaining 360 years is then hit by the 7 X of clearly spelled out in Leviticus 26.

360 * 7x punishment = 2,520 = Same number the WT uses but derived in an entirely different way—from following the story in scripture with the prophecies. The WT uses Daniel's 7 times, and doesn't use consistent means of measurement trying to make 360 = 365.25 = 1914 (instead of 1948).

All this detail is of interest to me as I am still Christian and believe.

I personally couldn't believe that the prophecy about the Servitude of the Nation would come true to the date the nation of Israel came into existence on the planet again. Suddenly I woke up to having been taught all these "spiritual" fulfillments applied to "spiritual Israel" being poppycock while REAL and LITERAL fulfillment was being missed.

Sir Isaac Newton who was keenly interested in Daniel and bible prophecy once said,

"About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the Prophecies, and insist upon their literal interpretation, in the midst of much clamor and opposition."

The WT seems to put out more atheists than any other religion. My hope is that this brother runs from 1914 and the WT, but not from faith and belief.

For me, finding out 1914 was supposed to be 1948 if calculated correctly and then finding out that was the actual birth of the nation of Israel once again on planet Earth, well, it was mindblowing. It's the first time literal interpretation became possible again.

Kids can grasp 360 != 365.

Crush the date 1914 and everything crumbles.

Much easier to get someone to do a math problem (or reason through it) than to read Don's Captive's if they are 'loyal'.

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Need best info on why Jesus could never have chosen org in 1918?

by GodZoo in

hi folks... i was playing a tiny online ipad multiplayer war game last night and one started a dialogue with a another player i was attacking.

in it he quoted a scripture.. and it turns out he he is a 25 year serving jw.

possibly an elder... well.. i spent 6 hours tapping away with one finger in the chat box until 8am this morning with him about all the issues on sex abuse, the money grab and most importantly the subject of jesus turning his attention to the earth and selecting the then bibles students as his one and only people based on what they were teaching (spiritual food) back then.. he knows nothing about any of the current and historic child sex abuse cases (never heard of candice conti etc) and even less about the insane early teachings or russell etc.. i completely blew his mind in our 6 hour text chat not to mention my index finger nearly falling off!.

nibbled

Share this with him, get him thinking on his own...

The "appointment" is based off the date 1914 which is based off a calculation (below).

The calculation is wrong and actually doesn't end on 1914.

CALCULATING THE “SEVEN TIMES”
“Seven times” = 7 X 360 = 2,520 years
A Biblical “time,” or year = 12 X 30 days = 360. (Rev. 11:2, 3; 12:6, 14)
In the fulfillment of the “seven times” each day equals one year. (Ezek. 4:6; Num. 14:34)
Early October, 607 B.C.E., to December 31, 607 B.C.E.= 1/4 year
January 1, 606 B.C.E., to December 31, 1 B.C.E. = 606 years
January 1, 1 C.E., to December 31, 1913 = 1,913 years
January 1, 1914, to early October, 1914 = 3/4 year
Total: 2,520 years

The WT above applies the 2,520 years of 360 days to 365 day calendar.

What's the difference?

2,520 * 360 = 907,200 whereas 2,520 * 365.24219 = 920,410.3188

Those extra 5.24219 days each year add up to a whooping difference of 13,210 days or 36 years!

Can we just ignore 36 years? I hope not, I'm only 35 years old!

Taking the "lowest common denominator" between a biblical year and a calendar year—a day is just a day either way—you can start to apply the prophecy to a calendar.

Do that (including the changes made to our calendar in between) and you land at the date May 14, 1948.

Imagine that!—a prophecy about the nation of Israel starts and ends with... the nation of Israel!

So yeah something big happened at the end of that proper calculation of days based on scriptures, but it wasn't what we were taught... the "end of the gentile times" apparently applies to literal Israel, not "spiritual Israel". Yeah, imagine that.

Who has ever heard of such things? Who has ever seen things like this? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children. — Isaiah 66:8

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Babylon the Great was the Sadducees & Pharisees

by FusionTheism in

if you closely look at revelation, it may click in your head (like it just did in mine) that "mystery babylon the great, the great harlot" sounds an awful lot like the sadducees and pharisees who killed jesus and persecuted the apostles, and tried to suck up to rome.. .

paul spoke about a *jerusalem below* and a *jerusalem above,* in galatians.

jerusalem below are the freshly and evil jews and jerusalem above is the church made up of christian jews and gentiles, the seed of abraham in christ.. revelation also picks up on this theme by declaring there is a *new jerusalem,* while also declaring that the jerusalem below, which killed jesus, is called *sodom* and *egypt* in a symbolic way.

nibbled

Sure, for those prophets sent to them.

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her

Babylon the Great is responsible for far more bloodshed.

"In her was found the blood of prophets and of God's holy people, and of all who have been slaughtered on the earth."

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Babylon the Great was the Sadducees & Pharisees

by FusionTheism in

if you closely look at revelation, it may click in your head (like it just did in mine) that "mystery babylon the great, the great harlot" sounds an awful lot like the sadducees and pharisees who killed jesus and persecuted the apostles, and tried to suck up to rome.. .

paul spoke about a *jerusalem below* and a *jerusalem above,* in galatians.

jerusalem below are the freshly and evil jews and jerusalem above is the church made up of christian jews and gentiles, the seed of abraham in christ.. revelation also picks up on this theme by declaring there is a *new jerusalem,* while also declaring that the jerusalem below, which killed jesus, is called *sodom* and *egypt* in a symbolic way.

nibbled

Sounds like, but while they sound similar, they aren't the same thing. Simple proof? Babylon is held responsible for the all the blood, but the Pharisees and Sadducees are not.

Revelation 17:9 shows she is seated on seven heads or seven hills—depicting a structure on top of the Roman empire...

Building upon her being the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth means she also predates the Pharisees and Sadducees.

False religion was set up in ancient Babylon with a pattern of mother/son worship with Nimrod/Tammuz and Semiramis as the 'fulfillment' of the Eden prophecy (properly fulfilled by Jesus and his mother Mary sans worship), it spread throughout the world, and converges in Rome and emerges as the Roman Catholic (Universal) Church from which all other branches of Christianity come as her "daughters". She's proud sitting as a Queen presiding over much of the world (Christ's kingdom) as Christendom. (Isaiah 47:8-11, Revelation 18:7)

Religion is a layer on top of politics, much as she sits 'on top' until they turn on her.

I believe that what happened at the end of the Jewish system will happen at the end of the Christian system.

We have modern day Pharisees and Sadducees but they are individuals/sects who do not equate to the larger system, Babylon the Great or Christendom.

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