Posts by redpilltwice

I know you all can read too but isn't it beautiful to see how well thought reckognizability and satire have been brought together in "our" first glossy.

I'm moved by so much talent at this forum...

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The Elephant in the room: ExJw disunity

by Diogenesister in

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fantastic new video by the lovely susan gaskin and friend andrea discusses the huge variety of exjw opinions and why our supposed disunity is in reality our strength.

the witnesses will claim we cannot agree and there are nothing but fights and a lack of harmony within our community whereas they are the most unified religion who believe the same things where ever you go.

however andrea points out that this is just an illusion, there is no unity amoung jws.

redpilltwice

Thanks for sharing, what a good video, fantastic it is!

Long post ahead!

The freedom to disagree with each other is one of the strenghts of science and makes it possible to reconsider and adapt "truths" with new information and insight. A consensus can be dismantled, new ones can be formed. An opinion can be confirmed or weakened by different viewpoints.

The JW obsession with unity, which indeed leans more towards uniformity (thanks stuckinarut2) reminds me of the misquotation in the blue 1985 "Life, how did it get here..." book, where WT gave the false impression that disagreement among evolutionists shows how weak their theory was. They left out the part where that same quote in fact praises such heated debates and rigorous disagreement because it helps to put findings and results under scrutiny in order to come to the best conclusions.

The same thing happens at this forum when someone makes a claim as fact and then is asked to back it up with a source or official letter. When someone is unable to provide such "evidence" he can lower his voice, ask others to confirm his claim, or even apologise for presenting opinion as fact or whatever...

Same with activism, isn't it the same with political parties? We have plenty of them in Holland, probably even too many for such a small country and some are really looked down upon because of their vieuwpoint but hey, at least it's democracy and usually things are getting somewhere without having to do it N.korean (or WT style). If it doens't get somewhere, parties can fall and the process starts over again.

Of course I'm not talking about social and emotional issues here, but even then different viewpoints can help to put things more in perspective or benefit from a different approach. Personally I have almost completely overcome my cognitive dissonance because this forum has "forced" me to consider all the different info and experiences coming from a spectrum as wide as full-in JW to hardcore atheist. Two years ago when I joined this forum I'd already fully embraced TTATT, but I would never have dared to challenge typical christian (core) teachings such as certain miracles, the resurrection or the ransom in the light of pagan similar stories that might have influenced bible writers. It "felt" wrong because the distance with JW was simply too far. Now, as an agnostic, I dare to doubt these deeply embedded religious/cultural "truths" because there's simply not enough empirical proof. I got rid of religious fear and wow, it feels sooo different now compared to a few years ago!

So I want to thank all the members for bringing me to the point where I can better understand people that believe or do not believe or that don't know what to believe, who don't want to leave, that are unable to leave, that have left through fade like me or chose to be df or da themselves. Same goes for activists that either choose the mild way or the more direct/confrontational approach.

No matter how often WT denies it, every way had the potential to work that way, whether we agree with that way or not.

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Merry Christmas

by jhine in

as non of you scrooges seem to want to wish anyone else merry christmas , l thought that l would drop in and wish you all .

merry christmas , happy holidays , feliz navidad , joyeux noel , and throw another shrimp on the barbie sheila .

why did the turkey want to join the band , because he had the drumsticks , boom boom .

redpilltwice

Lost in the fog, that's funny. At least some little pure innocent minds in that KingKongHall reckognised bullshit when they heard it.

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So here is my long winded story....

by GTSfromSY in

thanks for the warm greetings all.

wow!

i am very moved, really.

redpilltwice

Thx Gabe, I enjoyed your story.

Great to read about the sincere agnostic atheist. The blue creation book, well we know what intellectual dishonesty and misquotes mean, right? Sooo many of them... But your return visit did very well. Patience and facts, that's the way!

You put a big, big smile on my face when you wrote about the ARC, Stephen Lett's deluded talk and Geoffrey Jackson's infamous testimony! For me, THAT was exactly the final nail in the coffin too. The moment that you KNOW he's lying while being under oath in front of the whole world to see (false prophet alert!) and you mentally dare to rise up and shout it out loud:

THAT'S IT! NO MORE!

F%€K YOU GB FOR HIJACKING MY LIFE WITH FALSE PROMISES AND MAKING ME LIE IN SERVICE IN THE NAME OF JEHOVAH AND GODS SPIRIT DIRECTED ORGANISATION!

It's obvious we have work to do... regarding serious (official) attention to victims of sexual abuse among JW's... The Netherlands probably are next.

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Merry Christmas

by jhine in

as non of you scrooges seem to want to wish anyone else merry christmas , l thought that l would drop in and wish you all .

merry christmas , happy holidays , feliz navidad , joyeux noel , and throw another shrimp on the barbie sheila .

why did the turkey want to join the band , because he had the drumsticks , boom boom .

redpilltwice

jaydee > you bunch of Pagans....

It's even worse than that...

This forum is DOOMED!

lol

Merry Christmas & happy holidays everyone!

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Atlantis!-More Paton Files-(The World's Hope)

by Atlantis in

hi folks:.

grab these for your archives while the link is still active.

these are in addition to the ones i released a few years back.

redpilltwice

Thanks Atlantis (I remembered you too but didn't mention it, sorry) and darkspilver.

This forum is so informative, love it!

Happy holidays!

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Latest JW.org Statistics Are Confusing & Lack Context

by steve2 in

earlier this week a new post on this forum announced that the 2017 worldwide annual service report was available on jw.org.

wow - that's earlier than the statistics for the 2016 service year which appeared in the 2017 yearbook last january!

good effort, jw organization!

redpilltwice

Thank you Steve, I agree with you regarding these "facts" that in fact say nothing because there is no context.

Some people here believe they are not lying because they also didn't lie when the aftermath of the 1975 debacle showed a clear decrease, BUT... there were other people at the top and it was years before CoC came out, a game changer and the start of the danger of being exposed on a more global scale, based on insight info and facts. We now even more live in a completely different era of Google, YouTube, WT watchers, intense apostate activity and growing activism against the WT, a modern day false prophet.

I believe it's difficult for the WT to really lie about the numbers (although I wouldn't be shocked if they did), because I assume there are too many people involved in bringing in the info and numbers from around the world. These individuals spreaded around all the bethels could easily notice fraud regarding their own country and it would be difficult for WT to scan and eliminate all such potential moles, but of course the WT can hide and leave out crucial info that could and probably would discourage the flock and make them doubt the authority and reliability of the GB. Maybe the bethels are corrupt as well and involved in the WT's white washing strategy.

Remarkable to see how certain strategies unfold.

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Atlantis!-More Paton Files-(The World's Hope)

by Atlantis in

hi folks:.

grab these for your archives while the link is still active.

these are in addition to the ones i released a few years back.

redpilltwice

Thx, but before I choose to download, what is it about?