Posts by QC

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Another probe of the Governing Body theory

by QC in

note the activity topology of spiritually "gifted" faithful religiously pure network of individual christians sustaining the therapeia (qerapeiavhousehold for spiritual cure) lu 12:42under the leadership of jesus in heaven.

all accomplished by autonomous ecclesia without central control from jerusalem.

this is the model antecedent for today's class of individual "faithful discreet" slaves.

QC

Note the activity topology of spiritually "gifted" faithful religiously pure network of individual Christians sustaining the therapeia (qerapeiaVhousehold for spiritual cure) Lu 12:42 under the leadership of Jesus in heaven. All accomplished by autonomous ecclesia without central control from Jerusalem. This is the model antecedent for today's class of individual "faithful discreet" slaves. Mat 24:45-51;Lu 12:41-47

No Jerusalem GB c. AD34-AD37
Paul's conversion came via Ananias "laid hands" on him followed by baptism to become the apostle to the Gentiles. After this Paul c.AD 37 says, "After three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas (Peter) and remained with him fifteen days. But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord's brother." Ga 1:18-19

No Jerusalem GB c AD 48
It was Paul who reproved Peter for being aloof to Gentiles. "When Cephas (Peter) came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned...he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?" Ga 2:11-14 Peter accept Paul's counsel. Peter, Paul and James lead in resolving the circumcision dispute.

No Jerusalem GB c. AD 49
It was apostles, elders and pillars from Antioch and Judea that assembled ONCE in Jerusalem in order to resolve the circumcision dispute, because Judea is ground zero for Judaizer (Pharisee converts) proponents for circumcision. Ac 15:1-30

No Jerusalem GB
The Ephesus autonomous ecclesia is where Luke wrote AD 58-63 the books of Acts and Luke. As well, Ephesus is where John wrote AD 68-100 letters bearing his name 1John, 2John, 3John ; then pens the Gospel John and book of Revelation calling out seven ecclesia-Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea-while he is in exile on the isle of Patmos; a depiction warning all Christians to remain faithful and ready themselves for the cataclysm at Jesus' second coming. Rv 1-3 And, at Ephesus INDIVIDUALS Priscilla and Aquila informs prominent eloquent evangelist Apollos with a better understanding of God. Ac 18:24-26

No Jerusalem GB AD 46-58
Antioch autonomous ecclesia is hub for three of the four missionary journeys of Paul-covering regions of Palestine, Syria, Turkey, Macedonia and Italy. And, it was Antioch where the prophet Agabus foretold a famine during the reign of Tiberius Claudius Caesar; elders of Antioch instruct Paul and Barnabas to deliver relief to Judea. Also, Antioch is first to coin the name "Christian" by divine intuition.

There is no evidence Christian Greek writings are funneled to a Jerusalem "Governing Body." From Rome Peter pens his two books. 1Pe,2Pe As well, from Rome Paul pens six of his fourteen books, 2Tm, He, Php, Eph, Phm, Col ; plus eight from other cities: one from Antioch Ga ; two from Ephesus, 1Co, 2Co ; three from Corinth Ro, 1Th, 2Th and two from Nicopolis. Tit, 1Tm Jesus ratified those writings via the holy spirit from heaven.

This illustrates that the Society's terms, "Jehovah's organization" and "faithful discreet slave"/"Governing Body," are myths unsupported by the NT topology chronicle along the Mediterranean rim from Jerusalem to Rome.

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Living Forever on a Paradise Earth?

by return of parakeet in

jw
friends

think about the dub concept of living as a human being forever on this earth.

it sounds inviting at first blush, but if you think about eternity, what would you do to fill the endless time?.

eventually, you would learn everything, experience everything, understand everything, grow tired of everything.

QC

DDog, did you get my PM?

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April 2013 Our Kingdom Ministry and other files

by Atlantis in

standing in for atlantis.

i post as [vulcan] with my daughter [petra] who helps as typist.

atlantis said that all of you would know about the download procedures.

QC

Well explained BobCat.

The juxtaposition of a Christian MAJORITY watching passively a MINORITY few (often zero per congo)
participate in the Memorial celebration (meant for ALL Christians) is clearly problematic. The eyeball
test does not match the profound magnificence of the event.

22

Daniel was confused.

by transhuman68 in

i did some research after reading this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/246165/1/using-microsoft-excel-to-disprove-watchtower-theology-authority.

and realized there have been some flip-flops in the watchtower's interpretation of daniel's prophecy.

here is the interpretation from 'pay attention to daniel's prophecy' (1999) pg.301:.

QC

2520 years is a total scam. Judea's desolation began in 587 BC, not 607BC. Get up to speed download Gentile Times Reconsidered.

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Annual meeting. Greek scholars please help!

by DATA-DOG in

below is a statement from gb member gerrit losch.

notice what is said about the fds.

is this true?

QC

Note the activity topology of spiritually “gifted” faithful religiously pure network of individual Christians sustaining the therapeia ( qerapeiaV household for spiritual cure) Lu 12:42 under the leadership of Jesus in heaven. All accomplished by autonomous ecclesia without central control from Jerusalem. This is the antecedent to today’s class of individual “faithful discreet” slaves. Mat 24:45-51;Lu 12:41-47

No Jerusalem GB c. AD34-AD37
Paul's conversion came via Ananias "laid hands" on him followed by baptism to become the apostle to the Gentiles. After this Paul c.AD 37 says, "After three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas (Peter) and remained with him fifteen days. But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord's brother." Ga 1:18-19

No Jerusalem GB c AD 48
It was Paul who reproved Peter for being aloof to Gentiles. "When Cephas (Peter) came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned...he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?" Ga 2:11-14 Peter accept Paul's counsel. Peter, Paul and James lead in resolving the circumcision dispute.

No Jerusalem GB c. AD 49
It was apostles, elders and pillars from Antioch and Judea that assembled ONCE in Jerusalem in order to resolve the circumcision dispute, because Judea is ground zero for Judaizer (Pharisee converts) proponents for circumcision. Ac 15:1-30

No Jerusalem GB
The Ephesus autonomous ecclesia is where Luke wrote AD 58-63 the books of Acts and Luke. As well, Ephesus is where John wrote AD 68-10 0 letters bearing his name 1John, 2John, 3John ; then pens the Gospel John and book of Revelation calling out seven ecclesia—Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea—while he is in exile on the isle of Patmos; a depiction warning all Christians to remain faithful and ready themselves for the cataclysm at Jesus' second coming. Rv 1-3 And, at Ephesus INDIVIDUALS Priscilla and Aquila informs prominent eloquent evangelist Apollos with a better understanding of God. Ac 18:24-26

No Jerusalem GB AD 46-58
Antioch autonomous ecclesia is hub for three of the four missionary journeys of Paul—covering regions of Palestine, Syria, Turkey, Macedonia and Italy. And, it was Antioch where the prophet Agabus foretold a famine during the reign of Tiberius Claudius Caesar; elders of Antioch instruct Paul and Barnabas to deliver relief to Judea. Also, Antioch is first to coin the name "Christian" by divine intuition.

There is no evidence Christian Greek writings are funneled to a Jerusalem "Governing Body." From Rome Peter pens his two books. 1Pe,2Pe As well, from Rome Paul pens six of his fourteen books, 2Tm, He, Php, Eph, Phm, Col ; plus eight from other cities: one from Antioch Ga ; two from Ephesus, 1Co, 2Co ; three from Corinth Ro, 1Th, 2T h and two from Nicopolis. Tit, 1Tm Jesus ratified those writings via the holy spirit from heaven.

This illustrates that the Society's terms, "Jehovah's organization" and "governing body," are myths unsupported by the NT topology chronicle along the Mediterranean rim from Jerusalem to Rome.

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Annual meeting. Greek scholars please help!

by DATA-DOG in

below is a statement from gb member gerrit losch.

notice what is said about the fds.

is this true?

QC

Note the activity topology of spiritually “gifted” faithful religiously pure network of individual Christians sustaining the therapeia ( qerapeiaV household of spiritual cure) Lu 12:42 under the leadership of Jesus in heaven. All accomplished by autonomous ecclesia without a central control from Jerusalem. This is the antecedent to today’s class of individual “faithful discreet” slaves. Mat 24:45-51; Lu 12:41-47

No Jerusalem GB c. AD34-AD37
Paul's conversion came via Ananias "laid hands" on him followed by baptism to become apostle to the Gentiles. After this Paul c.AD 37 says, "After three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas (Peter) and remained with him fifteen days. But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord's brother." Ga 1:18-19

No Jerusalem GB c AD 48
It was Paul who reproved Peter for being aloof to Gentiles, rather it was Paul. When Cephas (Peter) came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned...he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? Ga 2:11-14

No Jerusalem GB c. AD 49
It was apostles, elders and pillars from Antioch and Judea because Judea is ground zero for Judaizer (Pharisee converts) proponents for circumcision. Ac 15:1-30

No Jerusalem GB
The Ephesus autonomous ecclesia is where Luke wrote AD 58-63 the books of Acts and Luke. As well, Ephesus is where John wrote AD 68-100 letters bearing his name 1John, 2John, 3John ; then pens the Gospel John and book of Revelation calling out seven ecclesia-Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea-while he is in exile on the isle of Patmos. A depiction warning all Christians to remain faithful and ready themselves for the cataclysm at Jesus' second coming. Rv 1-3 And, at Ephesus INDIVIDUALS Priscilla and Aquila informs prominent eloquent evangelist Apollos with a better understanding of God. Ac 18:24-26

No Jerusalem GB AD 46-58
Antioch autonomous ecclesia is hub for three of the four missionary journeys of Paul-covering regions of Palestine, Syria, Turkey, Macedonia and Italy. Then, it was Antioch where the prophet Agabus foretold a famine during the reign of Tiberius Claudius Caesar; elders of Antioch instruct Paul and Barnabas to deliver relief to Judea. And, Antioch is first to coin the name "Christian" by divine intuition.

There is no evidence of Christian Greek writings are funneled to a Jerusalem "Governing Body." From Rome Peter pens his two books. 1Pe,2Pe As well, from Rome Paul pens fourteen books, 2Tm, He, Php, Eph, Phm, Col ; plus eight from other cities: one from Antioch Ga ; two from Ephesus, 1Co, 2Co ; three from Corinth Ro, 1Th, 2Th and two from Nicopolis. Tit, 1Tm Jesus ratified those writings via the holy spirit from heaven.

This illustrates that the WT terms "Jehovah's organization" and "governing body" are myths, unsupported by the NT topology chronicle along Jerusalem to Rome Mediterranean rim.

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A Few Questions and Hoping for an Answer

by Gojira_101 in

jw
friends

since i am still fairly new to this whole "apostate thing" and have only been on jwn for about a month, i have questions for those of you who have been "out" for awhile or have been on here for a long time.. .

i have seen how many new people have joined since i joined, is that something that happens a lot?

having so many people sign up on here?

QC

(sorry, still figuring out formating)

>new people have joined since I joined, is that something that happens a lot

There's definitely a big influx since I joined a year ago. This is definitely blowback
from the "new light" FDS is only 8 GB members. Also message from the book "Gentile
Time Reconsidered" (download here) is sinking in. There is no doubt 607BC for the fall of
Babylon is wrong. Vast amounts of Archeological artifact prove it was 587BC.

>are the GB getting more blatant with the "new light"

They are feeling the heat of instant communication. People are finding out rapidly
that the JW invention is really a real-estate billions corporation built with free
publishing-house labor (Bethelites) and a free sale force (publishers). The Bible is really
window dressing.

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A Few Questions and Hoping for an Answer

by Gojira_101 in

jw
friends

since i am still fairly new to this whole "apostate thing" and have only been on jwn for about a month, i have questions for those of you who have been "out" for awhile or have been on here for a long time.. .

i have seen how many new people have joined since i joined, is that something that happens a lot?

having so many people sign up on here?

QC

new people have joined since I joined, is that something that happens a lot

There's definitely a big influx since I joined a year ago. There is definitely blowback

from the “new light” FDS is only 8 GB members. Also message from the book “Gentile

Time Reconsidered” (download here) is sinking in. There is no doubt 607BC for the fall of

Babylon is wrong. Vast amounts of Archeological artifact prove it is 587BC.

are the GB getting more blatant with the "new light"

They are feeling the heat of instant communication. People are finding out rapidly

that the JW invention is really a real-estate billions corporation built with free

publishing-house labor (Bethelites) and a free sale force (publishers). The Bible is really

window dressing.

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Do you believe that God is using the faithful and discreet slave

by trujw in

it seems that this question is used by elder to trap us and close their minds(the jw elder) to thinking.

if you answer no they wrap up a jc in short order.

i was wondering if any have tried to use a more pointed question to actually get them to think themselves.

QC

I would be disarming with humor:

God always uses faithful and discreet slaves, why should now be any different? Whatever you do, don’t be an evil slave

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Playing Around With the Most Important Scripture In Watchtower Theology - Again

by Cameron_Don in

jw
friends

matthew 24:45-47. .

old light: jesus appointed rutherford and his associates over his belongings in 1919. verse 47. new light: jesus appointed rutherford and his associates over his domestics in 1919. verse 45. why the change?

what difference does it make?

QC

Yadda,

this may all be leading up to is eventual 'new light' that the 'other sheep' can partake of the emblems at the memorial too.

There may come a tipping point where the GB realize they are perceived as not "Jehovah's organization" and in an act of desperation issue "new light" for "other sheep" to partake. But that would exacerbate their predicament. .

They will be "weeping and gnashing their teeth" with the hypocrites as they get totally "cut off" from God. Mt 24:51

Looks like Catholicism is on the ropes too. 2013-2014 is going to be interesting. By that time we will be 100 years since 1914. Noah's preached circa 100 year, "just as it was in the days of Noah...they took no note until the floods came." Mt 24:37-39