i got the internet in my house and realised it's all lies....but as a pioneer/ministerial servant i chose to fade.
see i had family and friends who were fully strict witnesses.
so i played the poor lost soul brother who is not sure what's happening.
“thats ridiculous--just using people for what you can get out of them“
If you don’t offer help back yes, but with JW lite you have the option of going along to help next time someone moves and you can invite those who have been kind to you round for a meal.
it’s called being part of a community or social club even if you don’t believe the doctrine you can still be JW light
i got the internet in my house and realised it's all lies....but as a pioneer/ministerial servant i chose to fade.
see i had family and friends who were fully strict witnesses.
so i played the poor lost soul brother who is not sure what's happening.
“ I sort of get why people choose to fade but are you ever free ? You can't celebrate birthdays or Christmas if you want to . Can you have worldly friends? It seems like the Watchtower still kinda runs your life
I may be wrong about what you can actually get away with, but l am curious as to how much of a hold the Org does still have on you .
Do people who have made a clean break feel a sense of relief that they are free to live their lives as they wish ?
Does that outweigh the fact that some family and friends no longer talk to them ?”
Jan from Tam you don’t understand the fading or JWlite option. Yes you can openly celebrate birthdays and other things once you are known as an inactive JW with no shunning needed.
You have the best of both worlds without any disadvantages. You have more advantages than a pimi because you will be so love bombed and given all the food at gatherings
you will be offered lifts and even accommodation and things like that.
i maintain that JWs really are great people this is why it’s worth making sure you don’t get shunned by them.
the bible says there will be a resurrection of the unrighteous, and now they say it’s wrong to hope unrighteous loved ones die before the end because that would be stupid.
yes it is stupid.. if identical twins both left the truth and one died just before armageddon and the other stayed alive then would he be killed only to be resurrected?.
this new light doesn’t make any sense i know they say we just don’t know.
The Bible says there will be a resurrection of the unrighteous, and now they say it’s wrong to hope unrighteous loved ones die before the end because that would be stupid. Yes it is stupid.
If identical twins both left the truth and one died just before Armageddon and the other stayed alive then would he be killed only to be resurrected?
This new light doesn’t make any sense I know they say we just don’t know. But they seem to know that it is wrong to think if unrighteous loved ones die before then it gives them greater chance of being in the new world than if they were alive at the end.
I know it’s all rubbish anyway but assuming you were a PIMI then this new light is saying unrighteous one’s don’t need to die before the end, so unrighteous one’s may survive Armageddon?
i got the internet in my house and realised it's all lies....but as a pioneer/ministerial servant i chose to fade.
see i had family and friends who were fully strict witnesses.
so i played the poor lost soul brother who is not sure what's happening.
“ I played the poor lost soul brother who is not sure what's happening. I still do dinners with Witness friends who try to win me back. Not disfellowshiped for the last 15 years but I should be!”
Yes this is better than hard exit where you will be shunned. Once it’s been long enough there is no need to shun you, usually a year or two.
Once you are known as inactive and basically no longer an active JW then even if you were living with someone unmarried or something there is no need to announce your name so that shunning will start.
If you keep friends who are still in and get invited round then you will be love bombed. If ever you decided to go to a meeting or someone’s wedding at the KHalk or something then you will be love bombed beyond measure.
If there was a situation where someone like this had drifted away and needed help with something like moving or something then the entire cong would bring food round and brothers would come and move your furniture and sisters would come and clean both the old place and the new place.
this is why it’s better to do a soft exit rather than a hard exit where you will be shunned.
Even better is the option of JWlite. You still go to meetings a few times a year but that is all
so, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.
old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.
the “door of the ark” is closed.
Exactly Br Jackson actually joked saying “I’d this what we used to believe or what we believe now”
If you analyse this statement then it really doesn’t fit in with Jehovah chose his one true religion in 1919?
The first talk Br Winder said something about Jehovah couldn’t reveal all his plans to Abraham because he was too stupid. Or words to that effect which is very patronising to Abraham.
So all the failed predictions and the many things they got wrong was just because Jehovah didn’t feel it was the right time to tell them his plans?
Including the Beth Sarim luxury mansion out of donations that was supposed to be for Abraham and others who were supposed to be resurrected. When that didn’t happen it was convenient for the top dogs to live in Luxury to the end of their days.
can anyone answer the question about the regional convention?
has there been 2024 all three days convention released yet?
videos and all?.
scholar Is Jesus actually sitting on his throne that he was enthroned on in 1914 now?
the gb seems to have a bunker mentality, that they are special, and that the world is out to get them, so they tend to keep within their tightly controlled, protective environment.
bottlegate proved that there is some danger outside of the rarified atmosphere of their echo chamber; you never know when a camera might be trained on you, or that someone might recognise you as being something more than plain old "joe citizen".
further, tm3's new address was quickly found and distributed, and (as i understand it) someone drove to his gated community to tell the security guard that tm3's "ass is grass".
“The "bunker" mentality goes back to Rutherford. As a kid in the '60s, I remember public talks about preparing to go "underground" during "persecution and the use of reversible coats. In one talk, a school friend demonstrated his reversible coat and foldable hat on the stage during the hour talk by an Elder.
Bethel had more tunnels than a rabbit family in the 70s.
And of course, we can't forget GB 2.0's bunker fantasy.”
Balamasy you are right about the reverse coats and hats thing I remember that. I also remember recently having direction to hide literatures and survival items outside your home, and many times in the go bag reminders to store a reasonable amount of food and emergency equipment
can anyone answer the question about the regional convention?
has there been 2024 all three days convention released yet?
videos and all?.
can anyone answer the question about the regional convention? Has there been 2024 all three days convention released yet? Videos and all?
this talk was supposed to be from the Friday regional convention but it’s only January that can’t be right can it?
https://youtu.be/naqrrit4a6U?feature=shared
If it has started in some parts of the world already then when is the first English one I hope the videos are available soon?
i’m hearing paraphrasing like “we just don’t know” .
is this regarding 1914?
or micheal the arch angel?.
That’s a good point enoughisenough. They are now saying he sits on his throne after the destruction of all false religions, so wouldn’t this be the time to judge religion? They previously said that happened in 1919.
They are going to have to have new light on that and so many things.
can anyone answer the question about the regional convention? Has there been 2024 all three days convention released yet? Videos and all?
this talk was supposed to be from the Friday regional convention but it’s only January that can’t be right can it?
i’m hearing paraphrasing like “we just don’t know” .
is this regarding 1914?
or micheal the arch angel?.
SadElder it’s not clear if they still claim that Jesus was enthroned in 1914, maybe they still claim that but he is taking 110years to actually sit on the thrown that he was enthroned on😂
