Posts by ElderBerry

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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!

by BoogerMan in

it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".

it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.

" (galatians 2:1-10).

ElderBerry

Get ready to belong to a religion of "we don't know."In fact, officially, "you don't know" anymore...just like Christendom.So keep at it for as long as you can. Enjoy it for now. It's about to be taken away. Get ready for new light of believing in "we don't know"!Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! You wasted all this time!

Whatever your belief system you have to admit “we don’t know”

A lot of us are now PIMA also called JW lite.

If you have the humility to be agnostic then it is not wasting time. You could say anything other than being agnostic is wasting time.

That is the beauty of JW lite. Being PIMA you can be agnostic to everything. This is not arrogance this is humility.

Are you beginning to see the difference between PIMA and your approach where you decide what is definitely true or not?

Get ready to belong to a religion of "we don't know."

Yes this is great, this is humility. I stay for the enjoyment of going to meetings and spending time with my friends. You don’t understand how much things have changed recently. Yes JWs used to smoke and celebrate Christmas but things change. All the things you talk about have got better now. I think things will continue to improve and the new GB will say “we don’t know” more and more.

Whatever your belief system you choose be happy in yourself that maybe it is wrong and you may well change in the future, this new one may be wrong as well but you have to realise this, then finally reach contentment. That’s exactly what JW lite is 😀

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

ElderBerry

It’s all a matter of opinion what are bad ideas.

No, it's not.

If it is then your replies are, themselves, criticisms of opinions and therefore... arrogant.

Are you beginning to see the problem with your approach?

That is the beauty of JW lite. Being PIMA you can be agnostic to everything. This is not arrogance this is humility.

Are you beginning to see the difference between PIMA and your approach where you decide what is definitely true or not?

And I can go on, just click through my history, the abuse in the name of and on behalf of the organization continues until today. If you don’t believe it, as my post above, why stay?

I stay for the enjoyment of going to meetings and spending time with my friends. You don’t understand how much things have changed recently. Yes JWs used to smoke and celebrate Christmas but things change. All the things you talk about have got better now. I think things will continue to improve and the new GB will say “we don’t know” more and more.

Whatever your belief system you choose be happy in yourself that maybe it is wrong and you may well change in the future, this new one may be wrong as well but you have to realise this, then finally reach contentment. That’s exactly what JW lite is 😀

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

ElderBerry

Jw lite seems to be a modern day version of Pascal's wager, just in case they are right and also that they maybe they are wrong, so I will edge my bet.

Absolutely true. Pascal was spot on in my humble opinion.

PIMA is a wager. Really whatever you decide to believe is a wager.

the good thing about being PIMA or JW lite is that if the Bible is correct and if JWs are correct then all us JW lite folks will get into paradise any way 👏

for now just enjoy the congregation and study the Bible with Pascal’s wager in mind

yes

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

ElderBerry

It's not arrogant to point out bad ideas, explanations, lies, policies, and so on. Otherwise, it would be arrogant to point out anything, at all. If that was the case, the term 'arrogant' becomes meaningless.

It’s all a matter of opinion what are bad ideas.

the term 'arrogant' does not becomes meaningless.

There are so many examples of people who arrogantly point out someone else beliefs as bad.

I think every belief system could be criticised and perhaps claimed lies and bad policies. I think it is arrogant to do so.

Some evolutionary belief systems have members critical of creation beliefs. And vise versa.

Trinity beliefs systems can be criticised by those who think Jesus is Gods son and vise versa.

Islam has different belief systems who criticise each other for so called lies and policies. Same with Buddhists and Hindu belief systems.

Jews have different belief systems there is even one called Jews for Jesus.

There are hundreds and hundreds of different so called Christian belief systems that could all be arrogantly criticised.

I think both sides are arrogant. Far better to say you can believe that if you want I’m not sure what the truth is. This is not arrogance and this is what JW lite is exactly.

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

ElderBerry

ElderBerry, do any of your fellow elders know you are PIMA?

Yes more and more people are starting to say things kings like “even if we don’t have the correct understanding of certain things, I still love the members of the congregation they are such good friends. And having this shared interest in studying the Bible brings us all closer together “

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

ElderBerry

Allow me to repeat: Not knowing the ultimate answer is no reason to accept bad explanations.

You do not need to "know the entire truth" to recognize a bad apple. You still know many things that are true, and are able to recognize lies and bad policies. Which is how people can criticize JW light.

Allow me to repeat -

That is true of any belief system

Whatever your belief system is, someone else could criticise it which would be arrogant

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

ElderBerry

Yes, this is the entire point of being JW light

It might have some or a lot of truth to it, but maybe a lot of the interpretation of the Bible is not true. This is JW light.

The only way someone could criticise those of us who choose JW light is if they claim they definitely know the entire truth and that everyone else is wrong

If you do not claim this, then you are just the same as those of us who choose to be JW light

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

ElderBerry

Those who are J.W Light are such for a variety of reasons, but either they are not truly Lovers of Truth, or if they are, they are denying who they really are !

This is such an arrogant thing to say, as if you have the truth and you know everyone else is wrong? Or if you admit you don’t have the truth then whatever your belief system is the same could be said about you as those of us who choose JW lite.

To be in either situation is not a mentally comfortable one, and mitigates against attaining full Peace and Happiness.

Again this is arrogance. You are saying you have peace and happiness because you know the truth about the universe?

I claim the opposite. I have peace and happiness because I know that neither you or I have the truth about the universe. Maybe the Bible is the word of God or maybe it isn’t but I love studying it with the possibility that it is truth. But being humble enough to know that we may not have the correct interpretation 100%. This is JW lite and this is peace and happiness for me. Each to his own as you say. I don’t think you have intellectual freedom if you are so sure you have the truth and everyone else is wrong, I think you are delusional. I feel sorry for people who think this.

I have clear sense of direction and look to the future with optimism because I have reached contentment in my position as PIMA. I’m mentally agnostic but remaining physically in. This is the best of both worlds and have a good attitude remain humble and never arrogantly feel everyone else is wrong and I know the truth.

But, each to his own, I do not criticise people for that kind of decision, I just feel sorry for them, I know how wonderful it is to have full Intellectual Freedom, and a clear sense of self direction, and to be comfortable in my own skin, because I am now the REAL ME.

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

ElderBerry

That was why I simply walked away one day, never to return. It is in my genetic make-up to be a Lover of Truth, to pretend I am not, which I would have to do if I remained in the J.W's, would have been to deny WHO I AM !

I decided that Truth is ONLY that which has irrefutable Evidence

If anyone is certain that they have the truth about the universe then they arrogant in my humble opinion.

if you think you have irrefutable evidence of how the universe began if there was intelligent design or not, then you are arrogant because there is no irrefutable evidence of these things just opinions

Theists always say they have irrefutable evidence there is god. Atheists always say there is evidence of evolution the universe began by chance and irrefutable evidence there is no god.

I think they are both wrong. There is no irrefutable evidence either way.

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

ElderBerry

The ongoing (for centuries), doctrinal debates among all sorts of religious people, admittedly deep thinkers, show that no one has complete or absolute understanding.

Hereiam60 you hit the nail on the head. So if you call humble JWs hypocrites then you have to call everyone the same. I consider myself a humble JW because I think that no one has complete or absolute understanding including myself and the GB.

Pete I’m very sorry about the funerals of loved ones you have been to recently. You make some very interesting points about the Lutheran funeral compared to JW funerals.

When you compare any funerals from around the world you may not agree with the comforting words but if they say heaven or whatever you should just think I hope this gives comfort to family and friends.

I don’t know what the truth is but I hope the Bible or any other belief system can bring comfort to those who lost loved ones.

I have been to COE funerals and I think I don’t agree with all they say about heaven. But I don’t have full understanding so who am I or who is anyone to say someone’s beliefs are wrong.

They are basically just Teaching their children to be Liars and Hypocrites. This is how evil people are made!

Liam, Are we all hypocrites for having a belief system that could be not true? If that is the case then everyone is a hypocrite no matter what you believe.