Posts by ElderBerry

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

ElderBerry

Good video about Lloyd?

https://youtu.be/rgksnzWMv58

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

ElderBerry

There are so many bad things in this world and everyone wants to pin the blame somewhere.

Satan is convenient if you believe that. I’m agnostic which means it may be true or it may not be.

You win some you lose some.

Try to find peace and contentment and realise that you don’t have the entire truth about the matter of how the universe started, but don’t worry nobody else does either. Always be sceptical and think it may be true.

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

ElderBerry

If you are so sure, prove me wrong.

that is the entire point that you missed. JW lite literally means you are not sure. PIMA means exactly that, we are not sure.

We don’t know that is the point. But neither do you even if you are so sure that you do

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

ElderBerry

I am seeing the difference between dogma and thinking for one's self.

Yes that is exactly what JW lite is all about being PIMA and finding contentment. It may be true or it may not I don’t know and neither does anyone else.

But having a hope in the Bibles promises Brings comfort and stability to one’s life. Even being agnostic to if it is all true or not Pascal’s wager is spot on.

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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!

by BoogerMan in

it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".

it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.

" (galatians 2:1-10).

ElderBerry

Get ready to belong to a religion of "we don't know."In fact, officially, "you don't know" anymore...just like Christendom.So keep at it for as long as you can. Enjoy it for now. It's about to be taken away. Get ready for new light of believing in "we don't know"!Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! You wasted all this time!

Whatever your belief system you have to admit “we don’t know”

A lot of us are now PIMA also called JW lite.

If you have the humility to be agnostic then it is not wasting time. You could say anything other than being agnostic is wasting time.

That is the beauty of JW lite. Being PIMA you can be agnostic to everything. This is not arrogance this is humility.

Are you beginning to see the difference between PIMA and your approach where you decide what is definitely true or not?

Get ready to belong to a religion of "we don't know."

Yes this is great, this is humility. I stay for the enjoyment of going to meetings and spending time with my friends. You don’t understand how much things have changed recently. Yes JWs used to smoke and celebrate Christmas but things change. All the things you talk about have got better now. I think things will continue to improve and the new GB will say “we don’t know” more and more.

Whatever your belief system you choose be happy in yourself that maybe it is wrong and you may well change in the future, this new one may be wrong as well but you have to realise this, then finally reach contentment. That’s exactly what JW lite is 😀

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

ElderBerry

It’s all a matter of opinion what are bad ideas.

No, it's not.

If it is then your replies are, themselves, criticisms of opinions and therefore... arrogant.

Are you beginning to see the problem with your approach?

That is the beauty of JW lite. Being PIMA you can be agnostic to everything. This is not arrogance this is humility.

Are you beginning to see the difference between PIMA and your approach where you decide what is definitely true or not?

And I can go on, just click through my history, the abuse in the name of and on behalf of the organization continues until today. If you don’t believe it, as my post above, why stay?

I stay for the enjoyment of going to meetings and spending time with my friends. You don’t understand how much things have changed recently. Yes JWs used to smoke and celebrate Christmas but things change. All the things you talk about have got better now. I think things will continue to improve and the new GB will say “we don’t know” more and more.

Whatever your belief system you choose be happy in yourself that maybe it is wrong and you may well change in the future, this new one may be wrong as well but you have to realise this, then finally reach contentment. That’s exactly what JW lite is 😀

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

ElderBerry

Jw lite seems to be a modern day version of Pascal's wager, just in case they are right and also that they maybe they are wrong, so I will edge my bet.

Absolutely true. Pascal was spot on in my humble opinion.

PIMA is a wager. Really whatever you decide to believe is a wager.

the good thing about being PIMA or JW lite is that if the Bible is correct and if JWs are correct then all us JW lite folks will get into paradise any way 👏

for now just enjoy the congregation and study the Bible with Pascal’s wager in mind

yes

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

ElderBerry

It's not arrogant to point out bad ideas, explanations, lies, policies, and so on. Otherwise, it would be arrogant to point out anything, at all. If that was the case, the term 'arrogant' becomes meaningless.

It’s all a matter of opinion what are bad ideas.

the term 'arrogant' does not becomes meaningless.

There are so many examples of people who arrogantly point out someone else beliefs as bad.

I think every belief system could be criticised and perhaps claimed lies and bad policies. I think it is arrogant to do so.

Some evolutionary belief systems have members critical of creation beliefs. And vise versa.

Trinity beliefs systems can be criticised by those who think Jesus is Gods son and vise versa.

Islam has different belief systems who criticise each other for so called lies and policies. Same with Buddhists and Hindu belief systems.

Jews have different belief systems there is even one called Jews for Jesus.

There are hundreds and hundreds of different so called Christian belief systems that could all be arrogantly criticised.

I think both sides are arrogant. Far better to say you can believe that if you want I’m not sure what the truth is. This is not arrogance and this is what JW lite is exactly.

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

ElderBerry

ElderBerry, do any of your fellow elders know you are PIMA?

Yes more and more people are starting to say things kings like “even if we don’t have the correct understanding of certain things, I still love the members of the congregation they are such good friends. And having this shared interest in studying the Bible brings us all closer together “

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

ElderBerry

Allow me to repeat: Not knowing the ultimate answer is no reason to accept bad explanations.

You do not need to "know the entire truth" to recognize a bad apple. You still know many things that are true, and are able to recognize lies and bad policies. Which is how people can criticize JW light.

Allow me to repeat -

That is true of any belief system

Whatever your belief system is, someone else could criticise it which would be arrogant