Just insane. He's asked a question, responds in all sincerity, an elder talks to him about toads and beetles and he's filled with shame?...Interesting quote..."...it's very impotant that you understand how inserting yourself into a situation can make you responsible for what that situatiion becomes".....Elders should think of that..!
HereIam60
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A stupid, pointless story of "humility" on JWTalk
by ukpimo inhttps://jwtalk.net/topic/60143-sighjust-another-lesson-in-humility-for-tim.
if you can stomach reading this brother's experience via this link, please let me know your views.
for one thing, i'm absolutely dumbfounded that this website jwtalk even exists considering all the warnings the governing body have given the org on not creating their own websites.
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Telling People You Used To Be A JW
by JW_Rogue insince i faded i've told a few people at work about having been raised in this organization but i found that most people don't really get what it is like at all.
they just focus on not celebrating holidays as if that is the worst thing about growing up jw.
i didn't explain much because it's too much for most people to handle.
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HereIam60
Pehaps once in a very great while you will meet someone who is really interested, curious, or a religious person who is "anti"-witness without really knowing anything about it, but most people, if they ask about it at all are just being polite to make coversation.
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Examples of Watchtower flawed interpretation of Bible passages?
by Vanderhoven7 inasking jehovah’s witnesses to interpret specific passages is a great way to demonstrate their interpretive abuse.
got any clear examples?.
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HereIam60
Re Biahi's comment: When I was first studying with Witnesses I often compared the NWT with The Living Bible and I do remember that footnote, which now suddrenly calls this question to my mind, If the dead were concious, when resurrections took place, where was the person 'called back' from? I think except for 2 instances the person had just died. Lazurus had been dead several days. Watchtower reasoning is, when he was alive again he did not mention being in another realm, but the Bible doesn't record Anything Lazurus said. Re: one of Vanderhoven7's comments, they of course use whichever interperetation suits the immediate purpose, at times the Spirit is God's (impersonal ) Active Force, but Witnesses often do speak of grieving the Holy Spirit by their wrong conduct but in this case it is made personal "Jehovah's Spirit" , so as to be offending God himself. I think this is often used as a point of counsel by elders. A couple we know had difficulty adjusting to marriage for a time, not communicating, sitting apart at meetings. Happily they later reconciled and the sister confided to us after talking with the elders that she "hadn't realized she was grieving Jehovah's Spirit"..
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Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?
by liam inmay 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.
what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.
now the wt is saying that's not enough.
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HereIam60
In past decades wasn’t WT teaching that the “modern fulfillment” of this fleeing to the mountains was Fleeing ,to, taking refuge in God’s Kingdom - the Mountain of Jehovah (Micah 4 :1,2)..?
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Don't you just love LITERATURE truths?
by BoogerMan inas jw's we swallowed such concoctions for years - without a single scripture provided as proof!.
w71 12/15 p. 759 - "apparently, the apostle peter was the chairman of the governing body on the festival day of pentecost of 33 c.e., and the disciple james, the half brother of jesus christ, was the chairman at a later date, according to the account in acts of apostles.
from this, and from what historical evidence there is available, the chairmanship of the governing body rotated.".
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HereIam60
I never read that particular WatchTower quote before… but my immediate reaction… I thought the Christian Congregation did not ‘officially’ come into being until Holy Spirit was poured out on Christ’s disciples at Pentecost 33 CE….How could it even have had an existing functioning Governing Body?
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1 Thessalonians 5:3....Prophecy ?
by HereIam60 ini've always had difficulty understanding how watch tower interprets 1 thessalonians 5:3 as prophetic of a future event - that the nations will unite in a (false) cry that they have achieved 'peace and security' which will signal the start of the great tribulation.
whenever i've read that passage i got the sense that it is simply stating a general principle... that when people are complacent and off-guard, thinking everything is o.k., peaceful and secure then sudden unexpected events hit them harder and they don't know what to do.
when i was first coming in (1980s) i well recall the "true peace and security" book that made a big deal about the un having declared 1986 'the international year of peace'.
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HereIam60
I've always had difficulty understanding how Watch Tower interprets 1 Thessalonians 5:3 as prophetic of a future event - that the nations will unite in a (false) cry that they have achieved 'peace and security' which will signal the start of the Great Tribulation. Whenever I've read that passage I got the sense that it is simply stating a general principle... that when people are complacent and off-guard, thinking everything is o.k., peaceful and secure then sudden unexpected events hit them harder and they don't know what to do. When I was first coming in (1980s) I well recall the "True Peace and Security" book that made a big deal about the UN having declared 1986 'The International Year of Peace'. I'm sure it was heavily implied that that might be the fufillment of the "cry", but when I mentioned this years later to a brother he shut me down saying No they never said that.. Of course at the moment (or ever ?) it does not seem like the nations will unite in anything...
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JWs in the news: "Must the Norwegian state protect the children of Jehovah’s Witnesses?" CNE news.
by Balaamsass2 inmust the norwegian state protect the children of jehovah’s witnesses?.
21-02-2025. northern europe.
evert van vlastuin, cne.news.
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HereIam60
An interesting article. Question...during the court proceedings were the recent so-called changes to the disfellowshipping/removal policy brought up or discussed?
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The Pella Deception: Watchtower May 2025
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/4otnshkqdbi?si=5ilzez_lxqscp1ww.
so, in the latest may 2025 study watchtower, the writers of this magazine, they have another go at revising church history for their own ends.
they take a well-documented historical event—the flight of christians from jerusalem before its destruction in 70 ad - and twisting it into a convenient narrative to reinforce blind obedience to organizational leadership.
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HereIam60
It may be entirely coincidental, as Watchtower articles are often prepared long in advance, but on December 25, 2024 a poster on the e-jehovahs-witnesses.com website, in the Bible Questions forum began a thread on 'The Flight to Pella" in which they cited the same passage by Eusebius that was used in the recently published study Watchtower. There may be no connection whatever, but in the past couple years I've more and more been getting the feeling that Watchtower writers are looking at 'outside' religious literature for direction..
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Her Handbag Told Her to Stop Preaching
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/qzpj3kzgidi?si=x1xazpqmed1zq5h2.
ah, yes, another shining example of the watchtower’s *unmatched* commitment to rational thought.
forget logic, science, or even basic common sense—just blame that suspiciously cursed handbag for all your troubles!
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HereIam60
Once, when talk of that type started, a (wise) elder shut it down by saying "Funny how people never think the money in their wallet is demonized and they don't know where that has been ..."
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Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?
by liam inmay 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.
what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.
now the wt is saying that's not enough.
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HereIam60
Since there was no Biblical support for this "further instructions revealed to, and by qualified men" stuff. They've resorted to partially quoting 'Church Father' Eusebius. If you look up past mentions of Eusebius in Watchtower publications, you find he was described as someone who did not stand firm in his faith and compromised with Constantine the great. Also they've only used a portion of his writing that seems to confirm their own idea. As said by someone else, no scholars among them, and the "leaders" no longer even seem spiritually minded.