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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Mikejw

Its a huge change because up until recently the official doctrine was always only baptism can save you, possibly children of baptised may just about make it but it’s going to be very hard. But if you died beforehand then you would be resurrected unless you were really really bad.

Now they brought out this new light that it’s silly to hope your unrighteous loved ones die beforehand because they may make it through Armageddon unless they are really really bad.

so basically now billions of people will make it through? Lloyd Evans used to say those pictures of the new world showed perfect parks landscaped over the bodies of 8 billion people.

Now it seems the new light is that not that many will be slaughtered at Armageddon?

This really is the opposite of a nothing burger that Lloyd said it was, it’s probably one of the largest changes in the history of the organisation. Now Billions of unrighteous may survive Armageddon and Billions more unrighteous getting resurrected

The new light is that we can’t be dogmatic and we don’t know who of the unrighteous will be resurrected or who of the unrighteous will not be slaughtered at Armageddon.

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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

by slimboyfat in

i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

Mikejw

The new light is that we can’t be dogmatic and we don’t know who of the unrighteous will be resurrected or who of the unrighteous will not be slaughtered at Armageddon.

Its a huge change because up until recently the official doctrine was always only baptism can save you, possibly children of baptised may just about make it but it’s going to be very hard. But if you died beforehand then you would be resurrected unless you were really really bad.

Now they brought out this new light that it’s silly to hope your unrighteous loved ones die beforehand because they may make it through Armageddon unless they are really really bad.

so basically now billions of people will make it through? Lloyd Evans used to say those pictures of the new world showed perfect parks landscaped over the bodies of 8 billion people.

Now it seems the new light is that not that many will be slaughtered at Armageddon?

This really is the opposite of a nothing burger that Lloyd said it was, it’s probably one of the largest changes in the history of the organisation. Now Billions of unrighteous may survive Armageddon and Billions more unrighteous getting resurrected

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Mikejw

His main argument was always that everyone not a JW will be slaughtered

how many times has he said “landscaping over the bodies of 8 billion people”

now they have changed doctrine but he wants to hang on to the old light, so he calls it a nothing burger and tries to ignore it

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Mikejw

Yes he may as well ask Jessica about the old truth book, or divine plan of the ages. These are just as pointless as he has become.

what’s the point in living in the past, everything has changed but he is still thinking about the old organisation

he still thinks the JWs believe what they used to and he has no idea about the org these days. All he knows is outdated and he doesn’t want to put in the work getting upto speed.

classic example is that he is still holding onto old light “everyone not a JW will be slaughtered”

Br Jackson said you don’t have to wish your unrighteous loved ones have to die before Armageddon. The unrighteous may make it into the new world if they die before or are still alive when it starts

he needs to retract his statement that this new light is a nothing burger.

We know you read this Lloyd

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Radical shake up

by Mikejw in

imagine if all the governing body resigned and a new set of brothers came in and said we are very very sorry for all those who have been disfellowshipped and disassociated over the years.

we know many mistakes have been made.

we are really genuinely sorry to all those who have been hurt and especially those who have died and been hurt by these mistakes.

Mikejw

Isn’t that a matter for the authorities anything else what right do elders have to stem in?

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Radical shake up

by Mikejw in

imagine if all the governing body resigned and a new set of brothers came in and said we are very very sorry for all those who have been disfellowshipped and disassociated over the years.

we know many mistakes have been made.

we are really genuinely sorry to all those who have been hurt and especially those who have died and been hurt by these mistakes.

Mikejw

Imagine if all the governing body resigned and a new set of brothers came in and said we are very very sorry for all those who have been disfellowshipped and disassociated over the years

we know many mistakes have been made

we are really genuinely sorry to all those who have been hurt and especially those who have died and been hurt by these mistakes.

We now want all those still alive to come back. We want you to accept our sincere apologies

And we are very very sorry about the misunderstanding and misleading of Bible doctrine

We were wrong about so many things

We now have to see we cannot be dogmatic and we just don’t know

This will be a shock to many

And we want you to realise that from now on JW’s will be completely different

We will leave it up to you what you decide

If anyone wants to have celebrations, it’s up to them is the conscience is what matters

If anyone interprets scripture differently to us, then we will not be dogmatic, we just don’t know

From now on meetings will be more of a social occasion. We will discuss with an open mind different Scriptures

Please come back all those who have left, you will find a more gentle, more hospitable, loving and kind place

Once again, we are so sorry for the mistakes have been made and the misinterpretation of Bible prophecy

Once again, we shouldn’t have been dogmatic we just don’t know and we never did. Please accept our apologies

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Mikejw

Derek you could be right. He knows he was so late and says I know others have made a big deal out of this. Then he goes on to call it a nothing burger.

In that case what kind of an activist is he? He is playing down what he is supposed to be drawing attention to.

Br Jackson said you don’t have to wish your unrighteous loved ones have to die before Armageddon. The unrighteous may make it into the new world if they die before or are still alive when it starts

And Lloyd calls it a nothing burger and he still said after this that JWs believe everyone not a JW will be slaughtered. He has now proven he doesn’t know what he is talking about.

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Dates and times

by jhine in

last night at my bible study group we looked at 1thessalonians ch 5 .

we have been working through the whole letter.

verses 1-11 start with .

Mikejw

LUKE 1:8 -- "He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them.""

Luke 1:8 doesn’t say that. Did you make a mistake?

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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

by slimboyfat in

i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

Mikejw

There is no point in a hailstorm message and actually no point in ministry now. There is no point being a JW either as Br Jackson said you don’t have to wish your unrighteous loved ones have to die before Armageddon. The unrighteous may make it into the new world if they die before or are still alive when it starts.

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Request-Addendum-Elders Manual-February S-147-Announcements!

by Atlantis in

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files for request.. 2023-2024 addendum to shepherd the flock of god.--english.

2023-10 shepherd the flock of god manual--english.

2024-february announcements and reminders--english.

Mikejw

Isn’t it embarrassing how they keep changing it?

I remember reading a part in an elders meeting and another elder telling me his was different, another elder had one that was different again

we all couldn’t work out which was the latest version