Posts by Mikejw

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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

by slimboyfat in

i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

Mikejw

The new light is clear.

person’s eternal future does not depend on when he happens to die

the same applies to all who have died in history as to those still alive at Armageddon

Presumably for them to survive the end of the thousand years they would need to convert and not follow Satan in the final rebellion, so billions could still end up being destroyed then

yes this is probably the point. Billions will survive Armageddon and even more billions will be resurrected, but the thousand years will decide who will get everlasting life.

You know the interesting thing here we are having a far more meaningful and deep spiritual discussion than the average JDub🤣🤣

I wonder how many are thinking deeply about this new light and studying the scriptures? I suspect most don’t even think about it and it went straight over their heads

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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

by slimboyfat in

i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

Mikejw

Up until this new light the belief was pretty much everyone who ever died would be resurrected unless they were really really bad?

please correct me if I’m wrong but is that what everyone else remembers?

now they are saying it’s the same if you died beforehand or are alive at Armageddon

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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

by slimboyfat in

i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

Mikejw

I want everyone still physically in to comment at that Sundays Watchtower and say “ as the paragraph says a person’s eternal future does not depend on when he happens to die, so our unrighteous loved ones have the same chance of being in paradise with us if they are alive at Armageddon as all those who have died and the Bible promises will be reserected

this does of course mean that there is no point telling them they haven’t got much time left as it makes no difference 🤣😭

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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

by slimboyfat in

i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

Mikejw

Tonus it’s not vague. They say clearly -

person’s eternal future does not depend on when he happens to die

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Elderly and sick: Out of sight, out of mind

by Captain Schmideo2 in

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friends

someone else posted something a similar experience, this is one i had regarding my mom.my mom died last year.

she had been in failing health for years, but the last 2 year were pretty rough for her, with lots of visits to the hospital.

the last 4 months, it was the hospital, a skilled nursing facility/rehab unit, and finally, a nursing home.

Mikejw

I wish the CO had some funds available from Borg or something. It’s all very well the CO telling the elders to organise rota’s and assign different ones to look after older ones. But are younger members of the congregation supposed to do this for free?

what happens in practice is that those older ones who have money pay younger ones £30 hour to come round and clean and look after them.

those who pioneered for years or for whatever reason have little money can’t pay for care. Who should pay for this?

the org has hundreds of millions to look after old bethelites but if not in bethel you are out in the cold literally

on a recent Bethel tour around Chelmsford the tour guide made a really big deal out of the precious older ones and how Jehovah values them, he makes sure they get the best care. This is only true of older ones in Bethel ones outside not so much

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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

by slimboyfat in

i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

Mikejw

Take this faithful old sister who has a son who is a drug addict. He is most definitely unrighteous and can’t kick the habit.

She used to hope he died before Armageddon so he would be in paradise. If he didn’t die he would not be in paradise as he would be killed at Armageddon.

But the new light is it makes no difference if he died before or was alive at Armageddon. Unrighteous ones have the same chance of being in paradise if they died beforehand or not.

Going by this new light BILLIONS now living will never die😂😭

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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

by slimboyfat in

i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

Mikejw

Yes very obscure.

Either they backtrack and do a U turn on the new light and it is better to die before paradise after all.

Or they don’t do a U turn and it doesn’t make a difference if an unrighteous one dies before or is alive at Armageddon.

I agree they don’t make sense

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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

by slimboyfat in

i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

Mikejw

person’s eternal future does not depend on when he happens to die

This is the key. If they died beforehand they would get a resurrection and make it into paradise unless they were really really bad.

If they are still alive when Armageddon comes they would get into paradise just as if they died beforehand unless they were really really bad.

person’s eternal future does not depend on when he happens to die

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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

by slimboyfat in

i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

Mikejw

Notsure You need to go listen again to what Br Jackson announced as new light.

He made the statement that “we know some of you were thinking that you hoped your loved ones would die before Armageddon” he repeated it saying “we know, we know that’s what you were hoping”

but then he says in a whinny sarcastic voice “but does that really make sense?”

no it doesn’t make sense as the rest of the nonsense interpretation by the GB.

but then he goes in to imply that if some JWs have unbelieving loved ones they don’t have to die beforehand to be in paradise.

So the big question is now - is there a difference between an unrighteous person dying before or still alive when Armageddon comes? The new light says no difference.

so will there be billions of unrighteous make it through just as if they died beforehand?

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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

by slimboyfat in

i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

Mikejw

Notsure think about it. The new light is that unrighteous loved ones do not need to die beforehand to get a spot in paradise.

So how could that mean anything other than billions of unrighteous ones will survive Armageddon just as if they died beforehand

tell me where I’m wrong about what this new light is supposed to mean?