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  Jws getting drunk

  by Farmer Jim1 in

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  2. friends

  has anyone got any good 'jws and alcohol' stories?

  i always found it amazing that so many jws got blind drunk at parties and got away with it!

  i suppose alcohol was the only fun thing we were allowed to partake in....

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  NotFormer

  Out of curiosity, how quickly could someone who is new in the faith become a JW elder? The Bible says not to quickly elevate a new person in the faith into leadership. Could a talented, enthusiastic newbie be fast tracked?

  And of course there is Simony: can a person who is generous with his wealth in all the right ways simply buy his way into an eldership? WT actually did an article on Simony, saying that "real Christians don't", which meant that exactly that was happening in some congregations. Does it still happen?
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  Jws getting drunk

  by Farmer Jim1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has anyone got any good 'jws and alcohol' stories?

  i always found it amazing that so many jws got blind drunk at parties and got away with it!

  i suppose alcohol was the only fun thing we were allowed to partake in....

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  NotFormer

  I always saw these fresh faced youths with their "Elder So and So" badge on, and I'd think "You're not an elder, you're a youngster!" 🙄
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  C. T. Russell, Knight Templar

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i've come across stuff on the web that states that russell claimed to be both a knight templar and a mason.

  and also stuff on here that quotes various such organisations saying that russell didn't display enough knowledge about them to have ever been a member.. why do people act like such a revelation about russell is some sort of smoking gun?

  rutherford purged russell from the organisation as soon as he could.. the people who would be more worried about the accusation would more likely to be members of the various surviving bible students groups.

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  https://food4jws.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/bible-students-and-jehovahs-witnesses-whats-the-difference/

  "Today, Jehovah’s Witnesses can read the writings of Baptists, Methodists, Catholics & etc., however, some have been excommunicated and ostracized for reading, studying and agreeing with the writings of Charles Taze Russell."

  Methinks that the Bible Students are claiming to be "special" in JWs eyes. Can JWs be disfellowshipped for reading the writings of Baptists, Methodists, Catholics & etc.?

  Is reading old Russell material a disfellowshipable offence?
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  C. T. Russell, Knight Templar

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i've come across stuff on the web that states that russell claimed to be both a knight templar and a mason.

  and also stuff on here that quotes various such organisations saying that russell didn't display enough knowledge about them to have ever been a member.. why do people act like such a revelation about russell is some sort of smoking gun?

  rutherford purged russell from the organisation as soon as he could.. the people who would be more worried about the accusation would more likely to be members of the various surviving bible students groups.

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  NotFormer

  I've come across stuff on the web that states that Russell claimed to be both a Knight Templar and a Mason. And also stuff on here that quotes various such organisations saying that Russell didn't display enough knowledge about them to have ever been a member.

  Why do people act like such a revelation about Russell is some sort of smoking gun? Rutherford purged Russell from the organisation as soon as he could.

  The people who would be more worried about the accusation would more likely to be members of the various surviving Bible Students groups. What do they say about it all?

  And how are they doing, these days?
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  Jws getting drunk

  by Farmer Jim1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has anyone got any good 'jws and alcohol' stories?

  i always found it amazing that so many jws got blind drunk at parties and got away with it!

  i suppose alcohol was the only fun thing we were allowed to partake in....

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  NotFormer

  "no--this was about 7 years before the elders idea was copied from the mormons."

  That's interesting. I knew that the elders' "arrangement" was new in the early seventies. Was it really pinched from the Mormons?
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  Is JW.org going Broke?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/e6gh6w7v03y.

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  NotFormer

  Interesting that they don't refer to "members". Especially since they are a corporation. In the Australian Corporations Act, "member" is another word for shareholder. And shareholders have a say and a stake. And most organisations with members allow those members to have a say in how they are run. So not surprised if they are not members.

  So what are members called now? Obviously not parishioners. Congregants? What is the word used by the WT for R&F witnesses?
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  Secret Elders Book? Bwahahaha!

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i remember a couple of decades ago when the internet was relatively young and the wt was at war with it, that they were battling to keep the pay attention book secret, commencing legal action against anyone who published it online (and of course, trying to out anyone who leaked it).

  i think it was a norwegian skeptics organisation who had it available for download and dared the wt lawyers to come after them.. so i guess the new shepherd the flock book came out to try and put the genie back in the bottle and reassert some air of mystery and secrecy back into the equation.. so i typed jehovah's witnesses secret elder book into google.

  colour me gobsmacked!

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  It's not that far from "body corporate".
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  Is JW.org going Broke?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/e6gh6w7v03y.

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  NotFormer

  Interesting that he's calling it a membership fee. I wonder if they can figure out a way to make that official. 🤔
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  Jws getting drunk

  by Farmer Jim1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has anyone got any good 'jws and alcohol' stories?

  i always found it amazing that so many jws got blind drunk at parties and got away with it!

  i suppose alcohol was the only fun thing we were allowed to partake in....

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  NotFormer

  I always read the Andy Capp comic strip when I was a kid. I don't think I understood half of it at the time, but it is a childhood memory.
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  Secret Elders Book? Bwahahaha!

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i remember a couple of decades ago when the internet was relatively young and the wt was at war with it, that they were battling to keep the pay attention book secret, commencing legal action against anyone who published it online (and of course, trying to out anyone who leaked it).

  i think it was a norwegian skeptics organisation who had it available for download and dared the wt lawyers to come after them.. so i guess the new shepherd the flock book came out to try and put the genie back in the bottle and reassert some air of mystery and secrecy back into the equation.. so i typed jehovah's witnesses secret elder book into google.

  colour me gobsmacked!

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  NotFormer

  I seem to remember them being very excited about the word "government" and may have translated various Greek and Hebrew words that way as a preference. Can anyone look it up in a NWT concordance? I tried looking at the NWT online, but it doesn't seem to be searchable in that manner.