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  January 2024 Study Watchtower is totally flooded.........

  by BoogerMan in

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  .....with the name "jehovah.

  in all my years, i've never seen such overkill in any jw publication.

  is the org worried about something?.

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  NotFormer

  "Why is this even an issue for discussion?"

  Some people have inquiring minds. 🤔🧠
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  Will the GB Eventually "observe" Tithing?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  found this on fb from the recent losch talk.

  time for a new business model?.

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  NotFormer

  The movie studio could become a money earner, if handled properly. "Faith based" films still have a market, examples being Passion of the Christ, and more recently The Sound of Freedom. The trouble is that the rarified atmosphere of the Bethel echo-chamber has produced a completely tone-deaf "creative class", such that they wouldn't know how to produce a movie that wouldn't piss off 99.99% of its target audience.

  They've got subject matter that could translate to movies. They are always proud of the stances they've taken in the face of government disapproval. The trouble is, anything they've done in the past that could be depicted as positive influence on society is inevitably nuanced in negative ways.

  They could make something about the Judge's going to prison for fighting for free speech and freedom of religion rights. A period piece handled properly (with the truth about the Judge heavily massaged) could be an interesting watch. But the WT these days has distanced itself from the Judge.

  They could make one about the young JW men who resisted the draft and went to prison as consciencious objectors. Clean cut JWs struggling against the chaotic backdrop of the 60s (with some of the music from the time strategically dropped in!) might work in a film. But then people who actually went through it, like Terry, will emerge from the woodwork and tell their true story. And the whole Mexico/Malawi thing will come up.

  They could go into full-on history rewriting mode and tell the their own version of Sound of Freedom, say the story of a fearless elder (or CO/DO) who hunts down and weeds out paedophiles in the organisation. Heck, since they're rewriting history, why not invent their own internal unit, along the lines of the HLC, that hunts down those guys? While it could make for a great movie, the outpouring of reality from the internet and other sources would destroy it within minutes of its release.

  Let's face it, simply owning a state of the art movie production facility isn't going to help them much. Any attempt to make good, saleable movies is going to collide with their own history and their own rules.
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  Did Charles Taze Russell die a broken man?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  his 1914 predictions failed...but did he succumb to depression as a result?.

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  NotFormer

  "Revived the Arian heresy after it had been resolved for 1500 years,"

  To be fair, Arius' version of anti-trinitarianism was different from the WT version, even though they make him out to be some sort of hero of the faith. In Arius' version, the Holy Spirit, while not being God, was still a person, not a "force".

  The "holy spirit as a force" idea was stolen from John Thomas, founder of the Christadelphians.
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  January 2024 Study Watchtower is totally flooded.........

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  .....with the name "jehovah.

  in all my years, i've never seen such overkill in any jw publication.

  is the org worried about something?.

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  NotFormer

  A certain Monty Python scene comes to mind...
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  Will the GB Eventually "observe" Tithing?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  found this on fb from the recent losch talk.

  time for a new business model?.

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  NotFormer

  Let's hope that the JWs who begin tithing remember that the old testament tithe was never in money, but was in crops and livestock! I want to see how the WT handles the wheat and cattle being left on Kingdom Hall doorsteps.
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  Any other churches call themselves the 'truth'??

  by Beck_Melbourne in

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  2. friends

  old habits die hard...and quite often in my comments i will refer to the borg as the 'truth'.

  does anyone know of any other churches that refer to their own particular church or religion as the 'truth'??

  also, does anyone know how it originated...all my life i have used the term...comments like 'how long have u been in the truth?

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  NotFormer

  Even Fisherman sounds like he has doubts, that the JW religion is basically right, but that its leadership is somewhat letting it down. I haven't seen scholar around on recent threads.
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  Talk Outline needed

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i need the talk outline connected to the handbill pictured here:.

  https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2023/11/talk-outline.html.

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  NotFormer

  It sounds like yet another class, Blondie. But from the discussion above and what you've said, the term must have died out soon after the 1962 article.

  Is it another buzzword that died out because it sounds odd in ordinary conversation? It seems like there's a lot of those. "Worldling" is the one that comes immediately to my mind.
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  New meeting format

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
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  just watched november broadcast very different order to the leaked agm .

  be good if someone did a deep dive on the difference and why the changes?

  i didn’t time the items but it should be easy to see if edited?.

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  NotFormer

  RonW "I felt VERY unhappy about it so forged the amount I proposed to contribute"

  What do you mean that you forged the amount? That you just wrote a figure that you didn't intend to donate?
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  Convention Blast

  by Zilgee in

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  2. current

  jw convention blast in kerala india.

  one died.

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  NotFormer

  I'm sorry if my post came across as though I was trying to blame the victims. I'm as horrified by their suffering as anyone else.

  What is happening to the perpetrator? When is his trial?
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  Any other churches call themselves the 'truth'??

  by Beck_Melbourne in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  old habits die hard...and quite often in my comments i will refer to the borg as the 'truth'.

  does anyone know of any other churches that refer to their own particular church or religion as the 'truth'??

  also, does anyone know how it originated...all my life i have used the term...comments like 'how long have u been in the truth?

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  NotFormer

  I just found this old thread. If no-one said it, I think that the Christadelphians refer to their beliefs as "the Truth".

  But the real reason I brought this BTTT is to ask about JW apologists like yadirf. What happened to them? Are there no JWs convinced enough of their rightness that they would come to this board to let the apostates have it?

  There are a few here who still have some sympathy for some WT doctrine, but think that the society or the GB is corrupt; they're not of the same ilk as yadirf and people like him from the early years of this discussion board. Has the enthusiasm for WT apologetics dried up?