Posts by NotFormer

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New light on shunning?

by Mikejw in

one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.

he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .

what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.

NotFormer

It's a particularly cruel approach to manipulate children in this way. But the organisation seems to have always disliked children. Too much drain on vital "Kingdom" resources, I guess. 🙄

Unfortunately for them, their century old disdain for children is finally attracting attention. Not allowing minors to be baptised, and therefore removing their eligibility for disfellowshipment and shunning, would be a great start. Would they extend the kinder gentler approach to adults? Not likely. The leadership has always enjoyed its power to grind its loyal subjects down.

The non reporting of hours and loosening up on beards looked for a moment like a step towards being a more compassionate organisation. But the real truth is probably that the changes are to muddy the waters on how much control the GB has over individuals.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5143429722406912/reason-behind-recent-watchtower-changes

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What has changed since January 2009?

by KerryKing in

hi, i was df'd in jan 09. have not been in touch much with the jws apart from a few memorials i went to.. what with all the online presence they have nowadays, it just feels like a totally different religion.

i have seen them with their tablets and phones at the hall, hardly any physical bibles or books at all, makes me think how ai (or the borg) could so easily change words and phrasing in the bible to suit them without making a big deal of it, like 'a new light' talk or wt article.

doctrinally has much changed since 2009?.

NotFormer

slimboyfat, I had no idea what that meant, so I googled it. It seems that there was indeed some sort of a change in interpretation, but I wasn't able, from the sparse amount about it, to figure out what. What did they used to say about her and what was the change, and when did they change it?

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What you think consequences gonna be for watchtower if they lose the court appeal in Norway?

by Hellothere in

personally i think they gonna realise god's not backing org.

that idea gonna get even more established in their minds.

i think the real selling of kingdom hall gonna start then.

NotFormer

They used to brag about their success rates in court cases and lobbying. They hardly ever win any victories now. What's changed: the nature of the cases, the tolerance of governments and the courts, or something else?

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What you think consequences gonna be for watchtower if they lose the court appeal in Norway?

by Hellothere in

personally i think they gonna realise god's not backing org.

that idea gonna get even more established in their minds.

i think the real selling of kingdom hall gonna start then.

NotFormer

Athanasius: 'What the JWs fail to realize is that by accepting government funding they must also accept government control, just like other religions'

"He who pays the piper calls the tune".

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Lines you would never hear from a Jehovah's Witness

by Ron.W. in

a slightly tongue in cheek, but also serious roundup of jw speak and why trying to reason with them is like trying to chip through concrete with a plastic spoon.. how many can you think of??.

elder: 'yes.

i read through the material you asked me to at your judicial meeting - you're right we're both in a cult!

NotFormer

"The faithful and discreet slave story is a parable, not a prophecy."

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What has changed since January 2009?

by KerryKing in

hi, i was df'd in jan 09. have not been in touch much with the jws apart from a few memorials i went to.. what with all the online presence they have nowadays, it just feels like a totally different religion.

i have seen them with their tablets and phones at the hall, hardly any physical bibles or books at all, makes me think how ai (or the borg) could so easily change words and phrasing in the bible to suit them without making a big deal of it, like 'a new light' talk or wt article.

doctrinally has much changed since 2009?.

NotFormer

Thanks for that, Earnest. It's helpful to have actual WT confirmation. Otherwise it looks like mere speculation.

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ARTICLE: Jehovah’s Witnesses investing more than $50M on Woodbury project

by AndersonsInfo in

jw
friends

https://libn.com/2024/03/04/jehovahs-witnesses-investing-more-than-50m-on-woodbury-project/.

long island business news.

march 4, 2024. the christian congregation of jehovah’s witnesses, which bought the former geico property in woodbury for $27 million in dec. 2022, plans to spend at least another $23 million to build an assembly hall and two support buildings on about half of the site.

NotFormer

pontoon, thanks for that clarification. Being on the other side of the world and unlikely to ever be in the area, the geographical aspect of these changes is sometimes a little hard to grasp.

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What has changed since January 2009?

by KerryKing in

hi, i was df'd in jan 09. have not been in touch much with the jws apart from a few memorials i went to.. what with all the online presence they have nowadays, it just feels like a totally different religion.

i have seen them with their tablets and phones at the hall, hardly any physical bibles or books at all, makes me think how ai (or the borg) could so easily change words and phrasing in the bible to suit them without making a big deal of it, like 'a new light' talk or wt article.

doctrinally has much changed since 2009?.

NotFormer

KerryKing, there was a thread recently on here which linked to a YouTube video that made an assertion something like that. There was a bit of dot connecting to get to that conclusion. Apparently in 2012 there was a CSA court case in Australia where a lawyer mentioned this. The court was trying to establish culpability and liability, i.e. who makes the organisational decisions and gives the orders, and who should we go after financially.

That was my understanding of what happened. Here is the link to the thread, and the video.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5143429722406912/reason-behind-recent-watchtower-changes

I don't know if it was ever phrased that way officially in WT publications but that is surmised to be its effect.

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New light on shunning?

by Mikejw in

one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.

he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .

what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.

NotFormer

AlwaysBusy, that's a depressing story. 😿 You make an interesting point, that shunning is actually part of the WT's DNA, and may be part of its appeal to certain types. I've never quite thought of it that way before. 🤔

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What has changed since January 2009?

by KerryKing in

hi, i was df'd in jan 09. have not been in touch much with the jws apart from a few memorials i went to.. what with all the online presence they have nowadays, it just feels like a totally different religion.

i have seen them with their tablets and phones at the hall, hardly any physical bibles or books at all, makes me think how ai (or the borg) could so easily change words and phrasing in the bible to suit them without making a big deal of it, like 'a new light' talk or wt article.

doctrinally has much changed since 2009?.

NotFormer

The GB became the sole representatives of the FDS class in 2012, I've been led to believe. Before that, wasn't it pretty well all the 144,000?