Posts by NotFormer

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Norway Supreme Court Makes WTS Reinstate Disfellowshipped Member

by Golden4Altar in

the supreme court corrects a mistake.

massimo introvigne.

article source.

NotFormer

Bringing this back to the top because of the irony. The Norwegian court directed the WT to reverse a disfellowshipping decision but, as pointed out by many above, the WT would get around it by sanctioning her for something else. So, the WT gets to laugh at another government and thumb their nose at it.

Fast forward to now. The Norwegian government gets the last laugh by disqualifying the WT from the funding that religions usually get.

It's interesting. This shows that the decision by the Norwegian government didn't just come out of the blue, but had been brewing for some time.

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The TWO new things to come this year for J.W Org !

by Phizzy in

while having my first strong black coffee of the day, i was thinking about what may be to come next as the org.

rapidly goes mainstream, and this is what i came up with :.

1) they will introduce for sunday, the after meeting fellowship, a time for just chatting but with the added bonus of coffee and snacks.

NotFormer

Balaamsass2: "They should eliminate child baptism. No modern country allows minors to enter into a contract. Get rid of the "blood card" in all its forms for minors."

Amen! Until minors aren't pressured into baptism and not encouraged to refuse transfusions*, they haven't gone far enough in their reforms.

"Stop allowing elders to stick their noses into police matters, and criminal investigations...especially child abuse."

Until they come out and say: "Call the police, not the elders ", their so-called reforms to date mean very little.

* Remember that horrible Watchtower cover in the 90s, that bragged about the children whom they had convinced to die, rather than to have transfusions that may have saved their lives?

Athanasius: "Regarding the Blood issue, isn't the Watchtower's present policy “Don't ask, don't tell?"

If that's the case, have they disbanded the HLCs? If so, when did that happen?

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Open letter to all JWs

by EdLogan in

jw
friends

it is useless for you to contact me, i already know that according to the new update of the governing body, you can contact me.. but the problem is... you can only invite me to meetings, and at most say "hello" once i'm there.. i already know.. so, if you really want to know how i'm doing, even if it's irrelevant for the purposes of this contact, i'll tell you.. i am not well.

i'm depressed and full of psychotropic drugs.

of course, being isolated from everyone i knew and loved didn't help.. here's how i am.. and for a thousand reasons, there is no question of becoming an "associate" in the congregation again.. ergo, it's useless.. there's no point in contacting me, because that's the only goal.. it's not out of a rush of love.

NotFormer

That sucks, bro!

You're completely right, changing a bit now doesn't change that they were cruel to you when it matters. If the old treatment is wrong now, it was wrong then, yet your loved ones treated you appallingly, not because it was their natural instinct, but because they were told to by a bunch of arseholes. A bunch of arseholes who haven't changed, who aren't any more loving than they used to be, but who need to convince the world's governments that they have changed.

It begs the question, if they are Jehovah's loving organisation, why do they have to try to look less hateful?

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Do COs and Branch Officials Have A Rulebook?

by NotFormer in

elders have a rulebook.

do cos and their superiors have a similar written set of guidelines setting out everything they're supposed to be on top of?.

what prompted the question was a statement by jehovax that there is a new elders manual coming out due to the new changes.

NotFormer

Whoever he is, the assertion didn't ring true for me. For that to work, it's not just the elders who have to change in attitude, but everyone up the appeals/enforcement line. Hence my question about rulebooks. If the elders book were to be changed, the other rulebooks would have to be as well. If kinder/gentler was the organisation's goal, a lot would have to be changed all over the org.

I don't personally believe that any of the changes have anything to do with the WT becoming kinder and gentler. It is all about convincing governments that they are. Most here have pointed out that there are many more changes that are needed that the conservative and slowly moving organisation haven't addressed yet. They've only done the minimum that they hope they can get away with.

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The TWO new things to come this year for J.W Org !

by Phizzy in

while having my first strong black coffee of the day, i was thinking about what may be to come next as the org.

rapidly goes mainstream, and this is what i came up with :.

1) they will introduce for sunday, the after meeting fellowship, a time for just chatting but with the added bonus of coffee and snacks.

NotFormer

I doubt it. The organisation is famous for its "Who will be accountable?" stance on anything social. And they wouldn't allow the service of food and drink under their roof due to liability issues.

It's a no-brainer to ordinary people to lighten up and allow people to have a bit of fun. But it's not in the WT's DNA.

As for blood, that's a possibility. But with the vaccine mandate, they still showed signs of being happy to dictate what medical procedures people should and shouldn't have.

BTW, Phizzy, despite my doubts, I hope that you are 100% right! 🤞

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Do COs and Branch Officials Have A Rulebook?

by NotFormer in

elders have a rulebook.

do cos and their superiors have a similar written set of guidelines setting out everything they're supposed to be on top of?.

what prompted the question was a statement by jehovax that there is a new elders manual coming out due to the new changes.

NotFormer

Elders have a rulebook. Do COs and their superiors have a similar written set of guidelines setting out everything they're supposed to be on top of?

What prompted the question was a statement by jehovax that there is a new elders manual coming out due to the new changes. And he suggests that elders will have virtually no control over R&F regarding disfellowshipping situations because the COs and Branches will be all for letting the DFed go virtually scot-free as far as reinstatement goes. (That's my understanding of the phrasing of it, anyway 🤔)

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5078791571898368/new-standard-on-how-they-treat-disfellowship

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Anyone Have a Photo of The Current 9 Member Governing Body?

by Vanderhoven7 in

governing body members.

kenneth eugene cook, jr. (2018).

gage fleegle (2023).

NotFormer

A photo of the Banana Splits being brought to order at a meeting might be good enough. Fleegle wields the gavel:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4813137241440256/fleegle-calls-gb-meeting-order

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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave? The recent changes and the Governing Body's 10 year plan

by redsetter2 in

i am sure we were all shocked at the governing body update #2 with the unusual and impulsive changes set forth.. i am an insider at whq, and when i was on reddit and in communication with avoidjw i explained to the best of my ability that the approach on disfellowshipping was going to change based on the new light at the 2023 agm, that the jubilee rumor was false, and there were going to be changes on how jws approached disfellowshipping in response to the norway situation if it didn't turn out in watchtower's favor.

the decision came because of a legal blow to watchtower, not because "holy spirit" wad directing a faithful slave, who is going to become the "evil slave", more explanation on this soon.. everything i stated came true.

i left reddit exjw community due to the immature and mentally unstable nature there, and yet as has been the case my words came true.

NotFormer

LaFrancia: "According to Furuli, only 11 of the 45 sins currently the subject of judicial committees (today they are just called committees) are based on the Bible."

Is there a list of these 45 sins available out there somewhere? It would help my understanding of these matters immensely if there is! A list of the 11 actually biblical sins would be helpful too.

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GB Update #2, March 2024: Women allowed to wear pants, no ties/coats required if not giving a talk, & now able to greet DF ones in the KH!

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

you heard me correct, this is not a joke, and it is not april fools day!

the asl portion of the governing body updated #2 (march 2024) has been released a bit early and someone caught it.

summary: .

NotFormer

Vidiot: "...could they be, for all intents and purposes, beta-testing on offenders like the WTS (justifiably), to see how effective it’ll be on worse groups like, say, Scientology?"

You mean that they're saying to the WT: "You're not the ultimate badass religion you think you are, we're just using you for training purposes (and target practice)!"?

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2024 What's Afoot with World Religions?

by KerryKing in

the parliament of the world's religions, member of the united religions initiative, has on their website a focus24 page, they call this year the year of democracy.. apparently an unusually large proportion of the world's countries are holding national elections this year, it's certainly the case here in ireland.

this somehow is the focus of their mission, it reads well, you know peace, love and justice etc.

i am wondering if the the watchtower society is a part of this movement, seeing as they have the 501c3 agreement they are also a state church, therefore bound to follow the states laws and regulations for fear of fines or loss of the 501c3 religious charity status, loss of tax exemption etc.. if so, we could be seeing many more changes this year.. does anyone have more detailed info on what rules and regulations 501c3 religious charities have to comply with?

NotFormer

Does any other country, similarly to the US system, allow tax deductibility for donations to churches in their own right*?

*As opposed to the charitable organisations that those churches may be operating at arm's length.

Edited to add: Can corporations donate to churches and get a tax deduction, or are only donations by individuals tax deductible?