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  77 years ago today, Watchtower admits 'they were truly supporting the war effort' in Australia

  by was a new boy in

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  other commercial enterprises were opened up under the.

  direction of those at the branch office, and the brethren.

  were asked to operate sawmills, bakeries, numerous farms.

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  Personally, I don't believe for a minute that the local JWs did Sweet Fanny Adams to contribute to the broader community during the war. They are the only religion to be banned by the Australian Government for the obnoxious way they were carrying on while the country was at war. This looks like a story they made up to try and look good to the broader community, and the apology (for something I don't believe happened*) was both to thumb their nose at said broader community ("We're sorry we helped you ungrateful sods; we won't do it again!") and to cement the anti-war anti-government stuff in the eyes of the faithful.

  *I'm willing to accept true evidence, not this publicity stunt.

  Edited to add: I'm doubting that first paragraph, p. 172. What came before that paragraph, so that there is some context?
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  Why Was WT OK with Blood Transfusions for over 65 Years Before Banning?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  2. beliefs

  blood transfusion history.

  1665 the first recorded successful blood transfusion occurs in england: physician richard lower keeps dogs alive by transfusion of blood from other dogs.. 1818 james blundell performs the first successful blood transfusion of human blood to treat postpartum hemorrhage.. 1840 the first whole blood transfusion to treat hemophilia is successfully completed.. 1900 karl landsteiner discovers the first three human blood groups, a, b and o.. 1902 landsteiner’s colleagues, alfred decastello and adriano sturli, add a fourth blood type, ab.. 1907 blood typing and cross matching between donors and patients is attempted to improve the safety of transfusions.

  the universality of the o blood group is identified.. 1914 adolf hustin discovers that sodium citrate can anticoagulate blood for transfusion, allowing it to be stored and later transfused safely to patients on the battlefield.. 1932 the first blood bank is established at leningrad hospital.. 1939-1940 the rh blood group is discovered and recognized as the cause behind most transfusion reactions.. 1940 the us government establishes a nationwide blood collection program.. so from the beginning of the watchtower being printed in 1879, they were ok with blood transfusions until 1945. what caused this?

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  "wouldn't be surprised if Rutherford was drinking blood in the video clip"

  Somewhat off topic, but brought back to memory by this sentence: there's a YouTube clip where Kenneth Copeland seems to drink his own blood at communion.

  On Rutherford and transfusions: he had rectal cancer and may have needed operations. The blood thing was Franz's hobby horse, but wouldn't have gone anywhere while Rutherford was possibly needing transfusions. Rutherford probably didn't have any regard for Franz and his ideas anyway, because he himself was the theologian, and didn't need any of Franz's weird ideas. By 1945 Rutherford was dead, Knorr was president and was willing to allow his strange little buddy Franz to work on the theology, weird ideas and all, while Knorr worked on the business side.*

  Farkel wrote a lot of stuff about Rutherford. He was amused that a cancerous asshole like Rutherford died of cancer of asshole.

  *The foregoing paragraph is recollection of speculation that was going around about two decades ago.
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  How has 3 years of inflation affected WTC?

  by ThomasMore in

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  the current u.s. administration and the fed says inflation is hard to tame.

  it was over 9% at it's peak.

  one of the greatest increases is price of food, something that everyone feels to some extent.

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  It's worrying that they are having food shortages, if your sources are correct. The last thing that they need is a humanitarian crisis whereby their own free labour are starving. Do you foresee aid boxes being collected by the congregations from whom Bethelites came?
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  Education video this midweeks meeting

  by jehovaxx in

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  there is an item this week all about yang ones leaving school.. the two brothers go to a career advisor seminar.

  one brother thinks it’s good to work hard full time while you are young and tries to encourage his friend to as well.. his friend (who is the good jw trust the gb no matter what they say)) he wants a part time job.. the video shows him dreaming about investing his money on his phone and the chart goes up, he drives a nice car and seems to be doing well financially.. then he reads the scripture in proverbs and next you see that investment chart go down in the red and he is so pleased he just got a low paid part time job.. this infuriates me.

  how many of us are now struggling because we were told to get menial part time jobs and we were told the end would have been here by now.. i will never tell a young person to listen to the gb advice on this.

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  Rivergang, your anecdote reminds me of a certain Australian Prime Minister who said, during the recession of the early 80s: "Life wasn't meant to be easy". He wasn't the Prime Minister after the next election.

  Do you think half these WT jackasses would retain their positions if the R&F could vote them in and out?
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  Still Confused About The FDS

  by NotFormer in

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  this was prompted by another thread where it was revealed that the gb were referred to as "our future kings" in a wt video.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4911685446402048/fun-moment.

  if i've got it right, the 144,000 are (or were until recently) the fds.

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  DesirousOfChange: "Evidently that changed to it being ONLY the GB when the "F&D Slave" was named in a lawsuit and served to one of those claiming to be of the "remnant"."

  Is it just me, or does that not sound like a bit of a dick move?
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  How has 3 years of inflation affected WTC?

  by ThomasMore in

  1. social
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  the current u.s. administration and the fed says inflation is hard to tame.

  it was over 9% at it's peak.

  one of the greatest increases is price of food, something that everyone feels to some extent.

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  They used to be able to afford 22,312* FDS. That had to drop down to just 9.

  *2023 memorial partakers.
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  John 1:1 in Coptic Translation

  by slimboyfat in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  apparently there has been quite a stir in jw apologetic circles recently about the translation of john 1:1 in the early sahidic version of john.

  i don't know if this has been discussed here before - if someone could give a link to a previous thread they know about on the subject that would be great.

  here is what i gather: .

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  NotFormer

  "Jehovah's Vandals" has a nice ring to it. 👍
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  UK BETHEL INAGUARATION 2024

  by raymond frantz in

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  https://youtu.be/oayukvpgoxw?si=g2020ba-xd2kytxi.

  this is the 20 min review audio of the 3 hour inaguaration of the british bethel that took place few days ago....

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  Diogenesister: "Someone on the You tube comments said when you see the number of girls doing all the construction, allowing them to wear the trousers suddenly makes sense"

  What happened to the good old days,

  When girls wore skirts and blouses?

  Now they work construction sites,

  And dress themselves in trousers!
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  Telluric movements in the branch committees

  by Jalisco in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently a gilead graduate from a latin american country told me that the gilead school now trains branch committee members rather than missionaries because there are centrifugal forces there... this made me remember a paragraph from a watchtower from years ago which i hang below.

  in confirmation of this, i have learned, in the few contacts that i have, that in athens there is a problem in the committee and they sent the coordinator of another branch.

  very recently, 2 members of the ecuador branch committee left and one left the organization and is an "apostate"..even though he graduated from gilead 8 months ago.. something is happening.... here's the paragraph that turned a red light on when i read it.... watchtower 11/2016 page 11. do we follow the instructions?11.

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  NotFormer

  In that legal filing above, I note: "DOES 1-5 whose identities are unknown to the plaintiff". How accurately targeted must these filings be to go forward? Do a lot of anti-WT cases get thrown out simply because the plaintiff doesn't know which individuals or entities are the right ones to sue or otherwise pursue?
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  Who Was The Biggest Jackass Circuit Overseer You Ever Met?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  there was on older white-haired circuit overseer in houston around 1989 or 1990. last name started with a w i think.... not sure though.

  even the most brain-dead robotic elders told me he was offensive.

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  NotFormer

  "I met one in a porn peep shop-big surprise and the 2 witness rule saved both us."

  Ron.W.: "That's tremendous!!"

  That's the two witnesses rule working as intended. It's not a bug, but a feature. 🙄