Posts by NotFormer

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For JW's - Is there ever a legitimate reason to criticize?

by Sea Breeze in

i had a jw quote this scripture to me recently: “study to show yourself approved” - great scripture.

but when we point out that former wt leaders didn’t study and were high school drop outs (ct russell only made it to the 7th grade) franz was a college drop out with only 2 hrs.

in koine greek, we always get the same answer - the apostles weren’t educated men either.

NotFormer

"And when Christians point out flip flops in doctines like the organ transplant policy that unnecessarily took lives, JW’s point to a scripture that predicts Christians would be hated."

Which would prompt me to say "The stupid is strong in this one!" Even if they use such a verse, it points out the opposite of what they're trying to say: Christians are supposed to be hated because they're right, not because they're wrong. Flip-flopping on doctrine is wrong. Bad exegesis that causes unnecessary deaths is also wrong.

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"You Can't Handle The Truth!"

by FragrantAddendum in

...or can you?.

(we'll see...).

https://youtu.be/ckk850qhgws.

NotFormer

Konagirl, your post got me thinking. The GB actually IS mentioned in scripture, just not the way they say they are:

Jeremiah 23:1 "Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasture!” declares Jehovah"

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"You Can't Handle The Truth!"

by FragrantAddendum in

...or can you?.

(we'll see...).

https://youtu.be/ckk850qhgws.

NotFormer

I'm always impressed by the Orwellian nature of the WT. They're "the Truth", so it's okay to lie*. The hateful way they handle disfellowshipping is a "loving arrangement"**. They are the channel of the perfect God, so it is okay if they are flawed***. True charity is in words (or spiritual encouragement), not material assistance**** And so on.

* "Lies are truth"

** "Hate is love"

*** "Flawed is perfection"

**** "Selfishness is generosity"

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2024 Regional Conventions

by sove in

jw
friends

does anyone have access to available pre-recordings from the 2024 regional convention?.

NotFormer

"If anyone has a Lapel Badge Card for that convention, please give us a download link because a member here is looking for a copy of one."

Pardon my ignorance: are we forging badges to gain admittance? 😳

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JW org fighting Royal Commission of Inquiry 3 years, article by Anusha Bradley, RNZ

by EasyPrompt in

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/497240/jehovah-s-witness-church-spends-3-years-fighting-scrutiny-of-royal-commission-of-inquiry.

jehovah's witness church spends 3 years fighting scrutiny of royal commission of inquiry.

from article by anusha bradley, rnz.... .

NotFormer

King's Counsel Diogenesister: "I would like to enquire of any elders, do you know when Watchtower put in writing it that parents are required to be in attendance with minors during any kind of judicial committee, reproof and/or back room counselling session etc?

"It at least demonstrates that elders do have pastoral duties involving minors.

"Also service meetings. The fact ANY baptised male is to "take the lead" in ALL cases where spiritual activities are taking place - that his authority supersedes any female's - places the Sister's children in a vulnerable position."

💯💯💯💯💯🎇🎆🎉🎊

Rumpole would be proud 👍

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How has 3 years of inflation affected WTC?

by ThomasMore in

the current u.s. administration and the fed says inflation is hard to tame.

it was over 9% at it's peak.

one of the greatest increases is price of food, something that everyone feels to some extent.

NotFormer

ThomasMore: "These days that date gets more expensive every year"

The law of diminishing returns. This is one business where the longer they're in business can be seen as a liability.

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Why Was WT OK with Blood Transfusions for over 65 Years Before Banning?

by Sea Breeze in

blood transfusion history.

1665 the first recorded successful blood transfusion occurs in england: physician richard lower keeps dogs alive by transfusion of blood from other dogs.. 1818 james blundell performs the first successful blood transfusion of human blood to treat postpartum hemorrhage.. 1840 the first whole blood transfusion to treat hemophilia is successfully completed.. 1900 karl landsteiner discovers the first three human blood groups, a, b and o.. 1902 landsteiner’s colleagues, alfred decastello and adriano sturli, add a fourth blood type, ab.. 1907 blood typing and cross matching between donors and patients is attempted to improve the safety of transfusions.

the universality of the o blood group is identified.. 1914 adolf hustin discovers that sodium citrate can anticoagulate blood for transfusion, allowing it to be stored and later transfused safely to patients on the battlefield.. 1932 the first blood bank is established at leningrad hospital.. 1939-1940 the rh blood group is discovered and recognized as the cause behind most transfusion reactions.. 1940 the us government establishes a nationwide blood collection program.. so from the beginning of the watchtower being printed in 1879, they were ok with blood transfusions until 1945. what caused this?

NotFormer

"Rutherford would’ve demanded a much bigger bottle."

Truly, he is the Lord of the winos!

https://youtu.be/ws3mSbpY8Pk?si=XU2P_VbKq4ZgbLCj

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LEAKED 2024 USA SERVICE REPORT

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/lov1gsxj4tg?si=ze-fdc8yswirahwx.

this is a mini report on usa that includes an update on ramapo as it was delivered during the british bethel inauguration few days ago....

NotFormer

Beth Sarim: " Satan's' world is out to get us?"

The only reason Satan's world would be interested in the WT* is to learn some of their tricks!

* GB, truth be told. I doubt that they could lie straight in bed 🙄

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77 years ago today, Watchtower admits 'they were truly supporting the war effort' in Australia

by was a new boy in

other commercial enterprises were opened up under the.

direction of those at the branch office, and the brethren.

were asked to operate sawmills, bakeries, numerous farms.

NotFormer

Personally, I don't believe for a minute that the local JWs did Sweet Fanny Adams to contribute to the broader community during the war. They are the only religion to be banned by the Australian Government for the obnoxious way they were carrying on while the country was at war. This looks like a story they made up to try and look good to the broader community, and the apology (for something I don't believe happened*) was both to thumb their nose at said broader community ("We're sorry we helped you ungrateful sods; we won't do it again!") and to cement the anti-war anti-government stuff in the eyes of the faithful.

*I'm willing to accept true evidence, not this publicity stunt.

Edited to add: I'm doubting that first paragraph, p. 172. What came before that paragraph, so that there is some context?

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Why Was WT OK with Blood Transfusions for over 65 Years Before Banning?

by Sea Breeze in

blood transfusion history.

1665 the first recorded successful blood transfusion occurs in england: physician richard lower keeps dogs alive by transfusion of blood from other dogs.. 1818 james blundell performs the first successful blood transfusion of human blood to treat postpartum hemorrhage.. 1840 the first whole blood transfusion to treat hemophilia is successfully completed.. 1900 karl landsteiner discovers the first three human blood groups, a, b and o.. 1902 landsteiner’s colleagues, alfred decastello and adriano sturli, add a fourth blood type, ab.. 1907 blood typing and cross matching between donors and patients is attempted to improve the safety of transfusions.

the universality of the o blood group is identified.. 1914 adolf hustin discovers that sodium citrate can anticoagulate blood for transfusion, allowing it to be stored and later transfused safely to patients on the battlefield.. 1932 the first blood bank is established at leningrad hospital.. 1939-1940 the rh blood group is discovered and recognized as the cause behind most transfusion reactions.. 1940 the us government establishes a nationwide blood collection program.. so from the beginning of the watchtower being printed in 1879, they were ok with blood transfusions until 1945. what caused this?

NotFormer

"wouldn't be surprised if Rutherford was drinking blood in the video clip"

Somewhat off topic, but brought back to memory by this sentence: there's a YouTube clip where Kenneth Copeland seems to drink his own blood at communion.

On Rutherford and transfusions: he had rectal cancer and may have needed operations. The blood thing was Franz's hobby horse, but wouldn't have gone anywhere while Rutherford was possibly needing transfusions. Rutherford probably didn't have any regard for Franz and his ideas anyway, because he himself was the theologian, and didn't need any of Franz's weird ideas. By 1945 Rutherford was dead, Knorr was president and was willing to allow his strange little buddy Franz to work on the theology, weird ideas and all, while Knorr worked on the business side.*

Farkel wrote a lot of stuff about Rutherford. He was amused that a cancerous asshole like Rutherford died of cancer of asshole.

*The foregoing paragraph is recollection of speculation that was going around about two decades ago.