i've been a lurking by-stander of this forum for approximately 6 months.
i think this forum's best moments can be attributed to the involvement of actual jw's in doctrinaire discussions and to heated (though not always dialectic) debates.
A warm welcome, Ethos. Since you've been lurking for that long, you probably have a handle on the contour of the Board.
Many (myself included) have ended up - as LouBelle said - not wanting to be proven anything or to prove anything to anyone. In the end, JWism is all about belief, and people are free to believe whatever they desire.
Having participated in many a board (you probably never knew the original H2O, the best in its time), it's all like walking a circle.
I believe you will end up either in full flight or will settle down to some rational acceptance that much of JWism is untenable. I am 50, been "in" physically vast stretches of my short life, but have been mentally out for so long! However, only in the past two years have I fully realized the futility of trying and hoping that a greater good could compensate for the harm this religion has caused so many. What relief to no longer go through the motions!
I write this as a welcome because if you have been around lurking for months, there must be a void somewhere in you that you seek to fill, a hunger for uninhibited knowledge. This is a great place to obtain that - and all the responsibilities that come with it.
Would you have felt better if Mitt had won? Would the country's prospects have become brighter? Did you really grasp what he was trying to sell throughout his campaign?
i am not huge into politics but i follow the american elections and kind of keep my finger on it.
i have my own strong views on sa politics.. i just want to applaud you, the american people for going about your elections in a very fair, democratic and peaceful manner.
it certainly came across very polished and well run.
Talking about SA, that Malema guy is way above nuts. Not that Jacob Zuma is any better. Cape Town is the love of my life and ranks at the very top of all places I've even been to.
If you think the Bible is "bad", then try the Qu'ran. No worse drivel was ever spouted! And to see millions stake their life on it and kill for it is quite mindboggling.
from nigerian newspaper via google alert a few minutes ago;.
entire family, 20 others die in fatal accidenttragedy struck weekend in akwa ibom state as a man, his wife and all their children, as well as more than 20 others, all members of the jehovahs witness church, perished in a fatal road accident which occurred, friday, along the utu etim ekpo road in etim ekpo local government area of the state.. forty other members of the church sustained varying degrees of injuries following in the crash which occurred on their way to the jehovahs witness annual convention ground in ikot ekpene local government area of the state.. thisdays gathered that more than 70 members of the church had hired a lorry to convey them from ukanafun local government area to ikot ekpene for the annual district convention which began on friday and billed to end today (sunday) but the journey ended half way with many members of the church dying on the road in the accident.. eyewitnesses alleged that the driver of the lorry conveying the church members to the venue of the convention lost control of the vehicle when he got to utu etim ekpo, the junction opposite the local government secretariat, and hit the stone used to construct the roundabout, thus resulting in the lorry somersaulting, leaving many of its passengers and others wounded.. the corpses and those injured in the accident were said to have been taken to neighbouring hospitals and mortuaries.. one of the eyewitnesses, mr. friday john, said the people who died may have been more than what was seen because a whole family including parents and their children were all trapped in the accident.. we were all here discussing when suddenly the lorry appeared and was looking like the driver had lost control of it.
then the lorry drove straight and hit the stone and somersaulted into the gutter.. many people died, more than 18. in fact, we couldnt count the number because there were many corpses, including husband, wife and children and they were all taken to the mortuary in various hospitals near etim ekpo here, john explained.. in another narration, a secondary school teacher in eka uruk eshiet etim ekpo, mr. ndipmo nkanta, said the lorry boarded by the deceased and the injured passengers was not meant for passengers but goods only.. he blamed the accident on poverty , arguing that if there was a better alternative, such casualties wouldnt have been recorded, especially as they were going to worship god.. the public relations officer of the federal road safety corps, frsc, in the state, mr. godsgift uwen, blamed the incident on over-speeding and overloading by the driver of the lorry.. he said the lorry was not supposed to carry any passenger as it was a meant for goods only but the driver stubbornly used it as a passengers vehicle, which led to the sad incident.. he advised against rush and drunken driving, especially in the yuletide, noting that these are some of the major causes of accidents on the roads.. culled from thisday".
from nigerian newspaper via google alert a few minutes ago;.
entire family, 20 others die in fatal accidenttragedy struck weekend in akwa ibom state as a man, his wife and all their children, as well as more than 20 others, all members of the jehovahs witness church, perished in a fatal road accident which occurred, friday, along the utu etim ekpo road in etim ekpo local government area of the state.. forty other members of the church sustained varying degrees of injuries following in the crash which occurred on their way to the jehovahs witness annual convention ground in ikot ekpene local government area of the state.. thisdays gathered that more than 70 members of the church had hired a lorry to convey them from ukanafun local government area to ikot ekpene for the annual district convention which began on friday and billed to end today (sunday) but the journey ended half way with many members of the church dying on the road in the accident.. eyewitnesses alleged that the driver of the lorry conveying the church members to the venue of the convention lost control of the vehicle when he got to utu etim ekpo, the junction opposite the local government secretariat, and hit the stone used to construct the roundabout, thus resulting in the lorry somersaulting, leaving many of its passengers and others wounded.. the corpses and those injured in the accident were said to have been taken to neighbouring hospitals and mortuaries.. one of the eyewitnesses, mr. friday john, said the people who died may have been more than what was seen because a whole family including parents and their children were all trapped in the accident.. we were all here discussing when suddenly the lorry appeared and was looking like the driver had lost control of it.
then the lorry drove straight and hit the stone and somersaulted into the gutter.. many people died, more than 18. in fact, we couldnt count the number because there were many corpses, including husband, wife and children and they were all taken to the mortuary in various hospitals near etim ekpo here, john explained.. in another narration, a secondary school teacher in eka uruk eshiet etim ekpo, mr. ndipmo nkanta, said the lorry boarded by the deceased and the injured passengers was not meant for passengers but goods only.. he blamed the accident on poverty , arguing that if there was a better alternative, such casualties wouldnt have been recorded, especially as they were going to worship god.. the public relations officer of the federal road safety corps, frsc, in the state, mr. godsgift uwen, blamed the incident on over-speeding and overloading by the driver of the lorry.. he said the lorry was not supposed to carry any passenger as it was a meant for goods only but the driver stubbornly used it as a passengers vehicle, which led to the sad incident.. he advised against rush and drunken driving, especially in the yuletide, noting that these are some of the major causes of accidents on the roads.. culled from thisday".
Mostly unfair comments, unfair in the sense that conditions in third world countries differ. Most of the people involved in the accident probably never had a choice but step on that truck (except not attend the assembly). As unimaginable as some here may think it is, travelling on overloaded trucks or riding three or four on a motorbike is akin to luxury to people in many parts of the world.
I don't have a scanner. I have the card (incidentally given to me last week) in French. I can retake the whole instruction in French. The word "allogenique" is there all right.
It's not just me then. You'll all notice that all prophecies now apply "primarily" to the "brothers of Christ", and only marginally if ever to poor us of the "great crowd". Huh. Christ died for them (the memorial talk emphasizes that every year), and only secondarily "us" - trickle down effect of sorts. Everything in the "Christian Greek Scriptures" was written for "spirit-anointed Christians". They've taken claim over all the scriptures; Christ is no longer our mediator but theirs. Now, we first have to look up to them to intercede on our behalf, we poor plebians.
the "christian longo" drama has been on television and in the newspapers now for about a week, and will stay in the headlines until he is captured.. the xjw community ****now**** has a good opportunity to communicate with reporters to explain that jw shunning may very well have been the driving force behind longo's downhill slid which finally climaxed in an act of mass-murder.. per the news articles, longo's initial problems appear to have been "financial".
such problems could have been dealt with if longo's parent's would simply have offered and provided financial assistance.
For anyone who doesn't already know such, Prince is likely just a second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, etc. "posting account" for one of those "insiders" that just can't bear the thought that someone who refuses to join their clique can have SUCCESS fighting the WTS.
My response:
Hogwash. There is only one "princecharmant" that posts on this board, and I belong to no clique.
yada yada yada the truth answered the questions with sense but u still are bitter demonic humans its sad that u hate the truth but soon jehovah will send a fire ball with your name on it cheers.
i had to show this to some nonjw today is friday and here in dc most gov workers are off till the 7th.
we have over 450 folks in this office and only 21 folks are logged in and 7 which are the folks here in the it dept so it is slow- we got folks cleaning all the "space bars" on the pcs on the floor smile.
Come off it James. It's irritating how you could generalize about Jehovah's Witnesses so easily as if you were talking about some alien species. There is no such thing as a "typical" Witness. I know you served in Bethel, were an elder, etc. In all your peregrinations, you cannot say that people like MalcolmX represent the mainstream. If you must know, those like him who come on public boards all foaming in the mouth are not typical but marginal. The "typical" Witness, if there is ever such a creature, hardly ventures into cyberspace to rant. Many Witnesses have their intelligence and decency challenged on a daily basis reading comments as you have made. There is no point putting up superior airs simply because you decided to be a Witness no more. The very credit you claim Witnesses deny others, you are in turn denying them by your words and insinuations. Get back down from that high horse, Sir.
